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To: livius

Dear Livius, you’ve really muddied the waters. Poe White Trash and Q. were convinced that those who see the mistranslation do so only because they want to gussy up and defend the encyclical.

Now here you come along and agree that the “teeth” translation is awful and falsifies the meaning

but far from gussying up the encyclical, you find it seriously wanting, stemming from Communion and Liberation and Archbishop Martino.

I think, folks, we’ve discovered the mysterious Third Way between sycophantic defenders of the encyclical and unabashed trashers: Livius finds the translation wanting along with all us sycophants but finds the encyclical even more wanting, along with all the pope-trashers.

Sheer genius.

Even I, shill that I am, have some serious problems with some parts of it. But I never got that far, since Poe kept hammering away at fruitless hopes for a reformed UN.


64 posted on 07/10/2009 6:10:10 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

Dear Livius, you’ve really muddied the waters. Poe White Trash and Q. were convinced that those who see the mistranslation do so only because they want to gussy up and defend the encyclical.

= = = =

Methinks someone’s MIND READER

needs to go in for a very serious overhaul. Actually, a replacement is probably called for.

Folks defend the encyclical for a list of reasons. I believe only God knows their hearts on such scores.


71 posted on 07/10/2009 8:17:47 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Houghton M.; Desdemona

Actually, before this encyclical was published, it was announced that it would be the first one not entirely written by BXVI. This is one of the things that delayed its publication several times.

Much of it is known to have been contributed through Martino and the Peace and Justice group, and Martino is a big CL person. The parts to which people are objecting are nothing more than typical Communion and Liberation language. CL is an Italian movement popular among intellectuals that JPII very much approved of and which has been around for some time. I find CL stuff pompous and meaningless and very dated; as another commentator pointed out, the social justice parts of this encyclical are already dated, because “globalization” has essentially been halted by the US economic contraction and Obama’s steady destruction of our economy.

There are parts of this encyclical that are very good indeed (the parts about personhood) and those are the parts that our philosopher-pope wrote because, if you read his work, you will be able to identify it immediately.

CL is not heretical, it believes it is opposed to the “New World Order” (while wanting to install its own), and Martino was for a long time the Vatican representative at the UN, so this is why you have so many references to this.

But the “social justice” part will be forgotten, and the parts about personhood will probably not only be remembered but have a real impact on our future.


90 posted on 07/11/2009 5:21:52 PM PDT by livius
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