[Colofornian]

If he had kept his privates in his pants and not gone around destroying private property in the interest of keeping his shenanigans from being exposed, he wouldn’t have been in a position to be “martyred”.

Smith's first wife, Emma, essentially said this way before you did: "It was secret things which...cost Joseph and Hyrum their lives, and it will cost you and The Twelve your lives as it has done to them."

Don't you agree with Emma Smith on this, OMM? "It was the secret things which...cost Joseph and Hyrum their lives... (Or do you want to critique Emma?)

[Old Mountain man]

The fact is that it was a murderous mob of protestants that cost Joseph Smith his life. You can dance around it all you want but murder is still murder.

If Carthage was not murder, Haun’s mill not murder, then Mountain Meadows was not murder.

[SZonian]

To me, this is what it all boils down to. A so-called “man of God” would not have done the things he did that put him in that position. I don’t care how you slice it. He alone put himself in that predicament and it ended how it did. Justifiably or not, I can understand how those folks would have felt threatened for their wives and daughters and the actions they undertook to protect them.

SZ