Posted on 06/27/2009 10:33:55 PM PDT by bdeaner
The bishop of Rome and his magisterium have no "legitimate authority." They are on a par with false teachers.
But who leadeth me beside those waters and restores my soul? Hum! Christ retreated alone sometimes and he encourage his followers to do the same.
Well you can certainly be a jelly doughnut if you want to...
Would you take Jesus literally if He said you are a refrigerator??? Or What if Jesus told you that you were an oak tree???
Problem with your jelly roll fantasy is that while Jesus said He was actual meat and drink, He not only didn't tell any of you how to turn a little cracker and a glass of wine into HIS flesh and blood but Jesus never told you to even attempt to try such a thing...
To deny Christ's authority to pronounce reality and existence is to deny his deity.
Riiiiight...You guys don't believe the gates of hell mean the gates of hell...You claim keys of the Kingdom of God mean power...
You don't believe a thousand years means a thousand years...You don't believe 'after his kind' means after his kind and a million other statements God said...So spare me the drama...
To ignore Christ's statements of John 6 and refuse to "interpret scripture by scripture" in understanding the events of The Last Supper is to deny the body and blood of Christ.
According to your religion's private interpretation of Scripture, maybe...How many times have you mocked the idea of comparing scripture with scripture???
“You cannot demonstrate this without distorting scripture.”...
What scripture would that be?
Without GOD's ongoing participation in my life and His interventions my life would not be where it is now and I don't mean that it would be a good thing because it wouldn't. Because of Him and only because of Him I can do what I need to do everyday and can do it. A three cord rope is not easily broken especially when GOD binds it together. That rope in my case has been strained pretty darn hard too. By the Grace of GOD it's held.
Be content where GOD has placed and called you to be. That place may not be the one you expect and you may not understand the reasons you are placed there till much later on. Others may not understand why you even do it :>} He will not forsake or abandon you and will answer prays even as they are said if needed.
I need no more proof than what I've been show and experienced. I've seen things happen that no one had hope for a good outcome to happen. But FAITH MOVES MOUNTAINS and acting in faith is the first step. Or as the song goes Trust and Obey.
No, what scripture disqualifies his statement?
Can a man who wants to become a priest and who doesn't want to make a voluntary vow on your celibacy rule still become a priest??? If not, it is then not voluntary...It's a requirement...
You just said the translation was faulty...Make up your mind...
However, in English the phrase "shed blood" has two possible meanings.
Nope...Shed blood has one meaning...It means blood leaving a body...
Whether it is used as a verb or a noun or whose blood it is depends on how it's used in the context of the sentence or chapter it resides in...And it doesn't matter what language you read it in...
If you understand the context, you will know all you need to know about the shed blood...You certainly don't need a new translation of shed blood...
C'mon Petronski...Open a bible and 'really' learn something about Jesus...
Jesus asked, ...”who say ye that I am?”
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him,
Blessed art thou Simon Bar-jona; for flesh and blood
hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven.
And I say unto thee, that thou art Petros, and upon this Petra I will build My church; And I will give unto thee the keys to the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
The context of these scriptures weren't about Peter, they were about Christ and who He was and is.
Christ wasn't saying that He would build His church on the shaky sinful man, Peter. He was saying that He would build His church on the bedrock truth that He is the Christ, the Son the living God. This truth was given to Peter by divine revelation.
Simon Bar-jona, who Christ only a few verses later called Satan, and who also denied Christ three times, an act of cowardice, did later become a great man of faith and was used of God mightily. But Christ did not build a church on him.
Christ's church is built on Himself, His person, and His finished work on the cross. If someone were to tell Peter that Christ had built His church on him, that rough old two fisted fisherman would smack them in the mouth.
An omniscient, omnipresent, Holy God, doesn't rely on, or build anything on sinful man.
The keys of the kingdom are the Gospel of Christ, “The Good News”, for this is what saves mens souls.
The Gospel is: That Christ died on the cross under the penalty of our sins, He was buried, and He rose again on the third day.
That's because we have a commonality...We may not agree on some details but we are basically in unity as it comes to salvation, as Jesus desired...
Your religion as compared with us is so far out behind the barn, that I for one, can see no possible unity...
It is your religious leader who said your religion has far more in common with Izlam than it does with Protestantism...
Most Protestants are my brothers/sisters in Christ...Muzlims and those who worship the same god they do are not my brothers in Christ...
Therefore, we try to get you guys to 'come out from among the darkness' and learn the ways of Jesus...
“I dont know of any Catholic that claims a priest is equal to Christ. “
I’ve met numerous and if you’ve read this thread there are some very prominent ones as well. From post 144
THE AMAZING GIFT OF THE PRIESTHOOD.
by Father Kenneth Baker
“...Simply stated, the Catholic priest is another Christ. Through his ordination he has been granted the amazing gift of being a channel of divine grace for the eternal salvation of those he come into contact with both in his official ministry and in his personal life...”
“I think you are terribly mistaken if you believe that or, also, some Catholic who believes that is obviously clueless,”
I dunno, what does the title Father mean to Catholics?
As I’ve said, I’ve met several catholics who believed this because that is what they were taught.
“Really? Where does the scripture say that?”
Of course it doesn’t say the word simple but it does give quite clear instructions one a few short steps. It is simple but not easy. Not easy because of our individual pride and unwillingness to give ourselves up.
“Sola Scriptura is a self-refuting doctrine. “
As opposed to a man made doctrine?
Some things you are missing here...Most Protestants get their theology from the scriptures, only...As a result, they pour over the scriptures for truth and understanding...The bible is the 'final authority' for all matters of faith and practice...
Your religion on the other hand, relies on the writings and opinions of it's old and newer church fathers and tries to make the scriptures line up with those things that you call tradition...
Those that spend even a little time in the scriptures know that the Body of Christ is made up of believers...And ONLY believers...
It would be ignorant to say that all Catholics are believers, or all Protestants are believers...Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE that your religion is the Body of Christ...
Secondly, any honest student of the scriptures know that salvation does not come from the Body of Christ (the believers)...It comes from the Head, Jesus Christ...It is biblical IMPOSSIBLE that salvation comes from your church thru your religion...
So, yes Christ has given the Catholic Church, along with the Orthodox Church, the fullness of the means of salvation via the Sacraments or what the East refers to as the Holy Mysteries.
Again, this is not only a lie, it comes from the Father of Lies...
There are no Holy Mysteries...The mysteries that were spoken of by the apostles have been revealed...They are no longer mysteries...
Your's is just a catch-phrase to make your church sound spiritual, religious...Nothing biblical about it...
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