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To: Dr. Eckleburg
We are spiritual beings and we are to worship and enjoy Him spiritually.

Yes, but you misunderstand what "spiritually" means for St. Paul in his letters. "Spiritually" does not mean 'without a body.' Christ came in the flesh; do not deny the Incarnation! EVERYTHING the Lord made, including our bodies, is GOOD, as we learn in Genesis. He loved our bodies so much He took a body for Himself. In Heaven, we will not be without bodies; on the contrary, the "Lord Jesus Christ...will transform our lowly bodies, so that they will be like his glorious body" (Phil 3:20). Be careful lest you fall prey to the heresy of the Manicheans, who falsely believed that God does not utilize the physical to interact with us spiritually.

"Spiritually" for St. Paul means acting genuinely from within rather than just externally; not merely acting the part, but believing in it from the heart.

Romans 12:1
In view of God's mercy...offer your bodies...this is your spiritual act of worship.


The importance of incarnate reality, and its spiritual implications, are revealed simply by the fact that God cured our spiritual problem through a physical act of dying on the cross for us. Our spiritual fall required from God a physical solution. This was always the case if we follow salvation history back to the time before Christ. The OT demonstrates that physical atonement is ALWAYS required to address a sin against God -- but we now know that no physical atonement by man would ever be enough. Only Christ's sacrifice on the cross -- in the flesh -- could pay the price. But that does not make it a purely spiritual act -- it is an INCARNATE activity on the Lord's part.

More Scriptural evidence:

Romans 8:20
We...groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.


Hebrews 10:22:
Let us draw near to God with a sincere heart...and having our bodies washed with pure water.


1 Cor. 6:19-20
Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit...you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.


1 Cor. 6:L15
Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ Himself?


The Scriptures overwhelmingly support the Catholic position with regard to enacting physically our spiritual sanctification.
884 posted on 06/30/2009 12:33:46 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bdeaner; Markos33
RCs belabor the physical world because that seems to be all they know of God -- various rituals and rites and icons and trinkets and statues and "another Christ" in front of them "forgiving" their sins. Yes, God created everything good, and then our first father, Adam, fell, forever staining mankind with the blemish of that indelible disobedience.

It took the coming of our second father, Jesus Christ, to redeem us from that sin by standing in our place before God and taking on the punishment rightly due us so that we now stand acquitted before the eyes of God.

The RCC used to better understand original sin. Lately it seems the double speak has extended even to this basic Christian belief.

"Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit"

Is our body made from bricks and mortar? No, Paul is speaking of the spiritual body. We are spiritual beings and you want to remain carnal.

But the fact that we are spiritual beings most definitely effects our physical life on earth by the good fruits produced by the Holy Spirit within us. We are His children. We were created to mirror the joy of Christ in all things.

The Scriptures overwhelmingly support the Catholic position with regard to enacting physically our spiritual sanctification.

That sentence doesn't even make much sense. All you're doing is grasping at straws hoping to justify your pagan ritual of transubstantiation which is idolatry in God's eyes. Christ is in heaven, not being served up in temples made with hands. He made His sacrifice for His lost sheep and that one-time, completed sacrifice has been accepted by God and marked "paid-in-full."

"Spiritually" for St. Paul means acting genuinely from within rather than just externally

lol. How does a man "act genuinely?" How does a man perform righteousness if what is "within" him is rebellious by nature?

Answer: he must be born again, spiritually, by the free gift of the Holy Spirit, according to the will and purpose of God.

950 posted on 06/30/2009 9:54:24 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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