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To: PugetSoundSoldier; Cronos
It is not pre-destination! Your life is not pre-determined! However, your life is known from before you were born until well past your time in Heaven. God knows all. ALL. He knows what you will do, before you do it.

Then why not call it what it is—foreknowledge?

611 posted on 06/30/2009 10:30:55 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50; PugetSoundSoldier
Then why not call it what it is—foreknowledge?

Exactly. Foreknowledge removes the notion of some "elect", superior caste which reeks of hinduism and not Christianity.
612 posted on 06/30/2009 7:22:56 PM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: kosta50

Because it’s part of the mystery of God. If He truly knows all - since the beginning until the end - they surely He must know what our own ends will be. Yet He gave us free will? How can that be?

I see accepting the concept of “foreknowledge” - or, as some call it pre-destination - no more difficult than the concept of the Trinity where God existed as Heavenly Father, his Son Jesus Christ of Heaven and earth, and the earthly Holy Spirit.

Given that acceptance, I see know problem with God knowing how each of us will end up. Unless we believe in the concept of universal salvation (that is, everyone is saved regardless of what happens), then there will be many who WILL be condemned to Hell. God knows who they are, and where the end up. His knowledge did not result in this; the actions of man did. But God knows and grieves for those who never enter His glory. But, it was their choice, and God will leave them to suffer the consequences of their life.

In fact, it is BECAUSE of God’s foreknowledge of our destinies that He sent His Son to die for us! He knew we would never reach the Glory of God, so He gave the ultimate sacrifice. He knew man would never make it - His foreknowledge of our destinies was why.


617 posted on 07/01/2009 8:07:59 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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