Posted on 05/23/2009 9:10:25 PM PDT by Quix
Quixs commentary on Pope Paul VI-ths:
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PAUL VI
ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF PEOPLES
MARCH 26, 1967
FROM:
paragraph 13:
Qx:
A couple of things stand out to me in this paragraph. . . . signs of the times. Thats a rather Pentecostal phrase! LOL. I wonder what his thinking was as he chose that phrase. Or does it mean something different in Latin than it does to Pentecostals in English?
In English, to Pentecostals it equals END TIMES and the Biblical signs thereof. Id think, HOPE, that the Vatican translators would KNOW that. If they didnt and it slipped through, then their scholarship is not very impressive.
This term: . . . a global perspective on man and human realities is a bit fascinating . . . Certainly the Pope would have reason to consider his turf of global reachquite reasonably, plausibly.
However, it also certainly fits globalisms goals, wording and purview, as well. Whether this was deliberately done or not, the globalist puppet masters had to be pleased with that wording.
20. If development calls for an ever-growing number of technical experts, even more necessary still is the deep thought and reflection of wise men in search of a new humanism, one which will enable our contemporaries to enjoy the higher values of love and friendship, of prayer and contemplation, (17) and thus find themselves. This is what will guarantee man's authentic developmenthis transition from less than human conditions to truly human ones.
Hmmmmm . . . a new humanism, . . . Doesnt sound that different than the Georgia Guidestonesthe globalists Ten Commandments.
http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm
Im not really that thrilled with the term humanism. Why would a Pope need to use it. Humanism is NOT the objective of Believers in Christ. If anything, it should be God-ism. We are being conformed to HIS LIKENESSif we are truly His Children.
Humanism is a satanic term in virtually all its modern uses. It is a seductive deception from hell. It pleases the flesh and flatters pride. It exalts man above or at least equal to God. Im saddened to see the Pope use it.
23. "He who has the goods of this world and sees his brother in need and closes his heart to him, how does the love of God abide in him?" (21) Everyone knows that the Fathers of the Church laid down the duty of the rich toward the poor in no uncertain terms. As St. Ambrose put it: "You are not making a gift of what is yours to the poor man, but you are giving him back what is his. You have been appropriating things that are meant to be for the common use of everyone. The earth belongs to everyone, not to the rich." (22) These words indicate that the right to private property is not absolute and unconditional.
Ive long pondered this issue. Biblically, in terms of Christian thought and practice, I mostly agree with the Pope. And, I believe that authentic Christians in most places in these END TIMES will end up sharing all things in common as they did 2000 years ago. And that those proudly, selfishly unwilling to do so will suddenly find themselves WITHOUT their goods and wealth AND HIGHLY LIKELY, without--outside the camp of Gods people.
HOWEVER, we can observe in the story of Peter and Ananias and Sapphira, that there was NO COMPULSION FROM the Disciples. It was VOLUNTARY.
I dont see IN SCRIPTURE, per se, the You are not making a gift of what is yours to the poor man, but you are giving him back what is his.
Scripture indicates thatessentiallyIN GENERALthat Godly people are blessed of God. That can end up creating a false vending machine mentality about God. However, the Promises of God are clear in Scripture and include being blessed materially for those who walk close to God. King David and Solomon are but two examples. Kenneth Hagin was Biblical in his teachings and practices on that score. Most of his disciples have jumped off the cliff with it but he was not that far off, himself.
Yet, God does also seem to call some individuals to a life of material poverty and spiritual wealth. And, many believers would bankrupt their souls if God blessed them materiallyidolizing things.
In fact, SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR that whether by the work of ones hands or as manna from HeavenALL BLESSINGS COME FROM GOD. The rich man AND the poor man who construes it otherwise are both on thin ice, from Gods perspective.
And, I CERTAINLY BELIEVE that IF Christians had applied theif you have two, give your brother one Biblical principle, the horrendous welfare system would never have gotten off the ground short of a globalist forced strong-armed thing. CHRISTIANS TOO have been far too materialistic in every Christian group and flavor. And the Church Universal and individual Believers have suffered great loss because of that.
Yet, it is NOT the stuff thats evilbut the LOVE of the stuff that is damning idolatry.
This begins to feel, again, like globalist tyrannical group-think, forced, coerced charity a la the looming globalist Gestapo--forced conformity etc. As Shrillery said, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THINGS FROM YOU, FOR THE COMMON GOOD.
SCRIPTURE is quite differentGOD LOVES A CHEERFUL GIVERNOT out of compulsion, social pressure [perhaps we could saynor out of law]but freely AS UNTO GOD. 2 Cor 9:7
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24. If certain landed estates impede the general prosperity because they are extensive, unused or poorly used, or because they bring hardship to peoples or are detrimental to the interests of the country, the common good sometimes demands their expropriation.
Hmmmmm . . . that phrase again The Common Good. LIBERATION THEOLOGY . . . that ended up deepening the enslavement of the serfsquite along globalist lines and agenda. . . . demands their expropriation. Perhaps morally. To do it as government fiat is tyranny.
True enough. They do wrong their own country. And likely they wrong their own souls. However, freedom at some point and for quite a distance, still requires that they be accountable to God and His Body of Believers vs to government tyrannical fiatimho. And, I think the Believers as a group in every group have let evil hearted fat cats get off with horrific stuff because we were respecters of persons in violation of scripture. This is evident in the RC delivery of The Lords Supper to the likes of Scuba Teddy et al.
26. However, certain concepts have somehow arisen out of these new conditions and insinuated themselves into the fabric of human society. These concepts present profit as the chief spur to economic progress, free competition as the guiding norm of economics, and private ownership of the means of production as an absolute right, having no limits nor concomitant social obligations.
While I might technically agree with him from a Biblical perspective . . . the limits must arise out of each individuals relationship with God and NOT be a result of government fiat inserting itself between the individual and God.
Yet, the Pope seems to be setting up a kind of foundation for LIBERATION THEOLOGY GLOBALIST mandate for confiscating private property. Thats more than a little disturbing.
This is indeed a paradox. Liberalism as currently practiced and, actually, as practiced for many decades . . . has been mostly about CONFISCATION of private property for WASTEFUL government bureaucracy and globalist tyranny types of programs.
And, it is the globalists and their tyrannical world government that will be the ultimate most intense imperialismwith a very deified materialism morphing into satan worship. It is more than a little odd that the Pope comes off speaking such memes, such phrasing, such themes.
Thats a lofty ideal. Though I cant think of a Scripture, per se, that espouses it. . . . can never be condemned enough ; sounds like Communistic tyranny, to me.
I dont recall a single Scripture condemning riches, per se. Riches can easily keep a rich man out of Heaven. A rich man who shuts up his heart to the needs of the poor is in trouble with God. However, we are talking about heart attitudes first and foremost and deeds secondarily. The idolatry is the root issue.
However, Christians of all flavors have demonstrated far too much [any is too much] of such idolatryshutting up their hearts against the poor . . . Being given far too much to selfishness. Ignoring God to work extra hours for a bigger TV screen, a flashier car, more expensive Nikes etc.
30. The injustice of certain situations cries out for God's attention. Lacking the bare necessities of life, whole nations are under the thumb of others; they cannot act on their own initiative; they cannot exercise personal responsibility; they cannot work toward a higher degree of cultural refinement or a greater participation in social and public life. They are sorely tempted to redress these insults to their human nature by violent means.
QUITE SO. However, most such situations have been and are set up by the globalists over the last century plus. Siding with their priorities, motivations, goals will only worsen such things. The globalists are collecting to themselves MORE of the worlds wealth at the expense of the poor and are determined to not just leave folks poorbut to exterminate them--massively.
Thankfully, he does see the truth of that! Praise God for that!
33. Individual initiative alone and the interplay of competition will not ensure satisfactory development. We cannot proceed to increase the wealth and power of the rich while we entrench the needy in their poverty and add to the woes of the oppressed. Organized programs are necessary for "directing, stimulating, coordinating, supplying and integrating" (35) the work of individuals and intermediary organizations.
Sounds like Shrillery, Biden, Puhlousey, Scuba Teddy and OThuga again. Bring Heaven to earth by government fiat. Wont happen. Would NEVER succeed. Heart change is required else all other systems and means descend into hell. And ONLY Christ engineers heart changes.
Is this a milk-sop in behalf of private initiative? Sounds rather weak along-side the other assertions.
35. We can even say that economic growth is dependent on social progress, the goal to which it aspires; and that basic education is the first objective for any nation seeking to develop itself. Lack of education is as serious as lack of food; the illiterate is a starved spirit. When someone learns how to read and write, he is equipped to do a job and to shoulder a profession, to develop selfconfidence and realize that he can progress along with others. As We said in Our message to the UNESCO meeting at Teheran, literacy is the "first and most basic tool for personal enrichment and social integration; and it is society's most valuable tool for furthering development and economic progress." (36)
Sounds lofty. HOWEVER, UNESCO is a globalist organization that has been tirelessly seducing the world in behalf of globalism and globalist goals for many decades.
AND, EDUCATION was designed more than 100 years ago as a primary way of destroying the family and delivering the new Gestapo to the globalist masters untainted by God, religion and parental influences. Certainly Im for educationGod fearing education. I assume the Pope was, too. Yet, why this praise, seemingly, for UNESCO. Was he that ignorant of UNESCOS aims? I doubt that.
Thankfully, he included private initiative. HOWEVER, he seemed to give the lions share of support for public authorities and INTERNATIONAL organizations. International organizations have been main tools of globalism for many decades. The Pope MUST have known that. If he was too ignorant to know that, then the Vatican information gathering and analyzing apparatus was still in kindergarten or chronically drunk on their rears.
IF he knew thatas he should haveand still ended up supporting INTERNATIOINAL ORGS, more or less carte blanche--then hes complicit in globalism plain and simple.
37. There is no denying that the accelerated rate of population growth brings many added difficulties to the problems of development where the size of the population grows more rapidly than the quantity of available resources to such a degree that things seem to have reached an impasse. In such circumstances people are inclined to apply drastic remedies to reduce the birth rate. There is no doubt that public authorities can intervene in this matter, within the bounds of their competence. They can instruct citizens on this subject and adopt appropriate measures, so long as these are in conformity with the dictates of the moral law and the rightful freedom of married couples is preserved completely intact. When the inalienable right of marriage and of procreation is taken away, so is human dignity. Finally, it is for parents to take a thorough look at the matter and decide upon the number of their children. This is an obligation they take upon themselves, before their children already born, and before the community to which they belongfollowing the dictates of their own consciences informed by God's law authentically interpreted, and bolstered by their trust in Him. (39)
This whole section is MOST CURIOUS. He seemsSEEMS to tread a thin line here. He doesnt actually violate RC dogmabut he sure seems to come close. He sure seems to walk as close as possible to globalist constructions on population and to globalist goals, aims and methods. Disturbing.
42. The ultimate goal is a fullbodied humanism. (44) And does this not mean the fulfillment of the whole man and of every man? A narrow humanism, closed in on itself and not open to the values of the spirit and to God who is their source, could achieve apparent success, for man can set about organizing terrestrial realities without God. But "closed off from God, they will end up being directed against man. A humanism closed off from other realities becomes inhuman." (45)
I was glad to see this paragraph. However, along-side all the others, it comes across as a bit of a weak milk-sop.
This, comes across to me as an upside-down way of putting it. GOD in Christ-redeemed RELATIONSHIP WITH MAN results in individuals becoming TRULY HUMAN as God designed them to be. Humanismeven True Humanism doesnt point to God, imho. Humanism as a term, as a concept is still taintedto me--with its origins in hell.
44. This duty concerns first and foremost the wealthier nations. Their obligations stem from the human and supernatural brotherhood of man, and present a three-fold obligation: 1) mutual solidaritythe aid that the richer nations must give to developing nations; 2) social justicethe rectification of trade relations between strong and weak nations; 3) universal charitythe effort to build a more humane world community, where all can give and receive, and where the progress of some is not bought at the expense of others. The matter is urgent, for on it depends the future of world civilization.
This sounds quite lofty. However, its almost straight globalist dogma. Its full of globalist euphemismsbeginning with the brotherhood of man. . . . to build a more humane world community.
Who could be against that? Any thinking person aware of THE MEANS and the eventual structure of the purported HUMANE WORLD community. Theres that emphasis on HUMANISM and WORLD again. Disturbing.
45. "If a brother or a sister be naked and in want of daily food," says St. James, "and one of you say to them, 'Go in peace, be warm and filled,' yet you do not give them what is necessary for the body, what does it profit?" (48) Today no one can be unaware of the fact that on some continents countless men and women are ravished by hunger and countless children are undernourished. Many children die at an early age; many more of them find their physical and mental growth retarded. Thus whole populations are immersed in pitiable circumstances and lose heart.
Quite so. And, it IS the Body of Christs duty and privilege to help rectify such situations, conditions etc. And we have failed far too much at that task.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE ALSO SUCCEEDED at correcting such, FAR MORE THAN globalist government efforts have.
Joya is still working on getting me the 2nd half. So Im going to go ahead and post this much. Ill add the 2nd half later or tomorrow, Lord willing and the Creek Indians dont rise up.
Joyas impression of the last half is that its much MORE full of globalism than this half. God have mercy.
Satans seductions have been very skillful and comprehensive for millennia. And, he no doubt targeted the Vatican from early on. . . . as he has and does any even possibly authentic expression of Christianity. Sigh.
THIS IS ABOUT SATAN VS GOD
ALL Christian groups have either become complicit in such forces or are in the process of becoming compromised
or are at risk for becoming so compromised.
None of us have any reason to be the least bit smug about such forces and matters.
It's merely the case that the Vatican examples given in Pope Paul VI th's encyclical is a pretty early and glaring set of cues.
END TIMES PING LIST PING FOR “A” LEVEL LIST.
Thank you.
Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus.
Thanks for the ping!
Sounds like a plan.
Great job Quix! Bravo!
Certainly a worthy goal requiring worthy efforts.
Thanks for your kind words.
BLESSED BE THE NAME AND WORD OF THE LORD.
Marxism ! No Lovingkindness of Yah'shua. Wow !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
You are most welcome. You do work hard. Your reward will be great.
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THANKS for your kind words and astute observations, imho.
BLESSED BE THE NAME AND WORD OF THE LORD.
Thanks for your kind words.
I just chicken scratch in the sand.
Sometimes The Lord uses even that.
Being more overtly and tangibly closer to Him eternally will be more than sufficient reward.
And there’s no reward to that—’Tis HIS FREELY GIVEN BLOOD BOUGHT GIFT TO WHOSOEVER WILL.
Thanks for coming by.
Well, Quix, just posting something a bit off-topic here... :-)
You were saying — “ Ill add the 2nd half later or tomorrow, Lord willing and the Creek Indians dont rise up.”
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Ummm..., I’m right next door to the Creek Indian Nation..., and I haven’t seen any signs of uprising... LOL... I think you’re safe...
Are you in Oklahoma now?
No. West of you.
I learned of the real meaning of that phrase in TaiChung in Taiwan at a missionary retreat.
There was a 70 plus year old missionary widow there who’d had 10 kids on the mission field . . . all of whom were doing fine as adults. And I said that phrase one day and she informed me of what its true origin was.
And all those years prior, I’d assumed it was about a flood swollen creek of water.
LOL.
From a Roman Catholic perspective:
There are many social justice encyclicals. They build on one another. Looking at this one in isolation is useful, but not as useful as putting it in the context of all of the social justice encyclicals. To that end, I recommend you look at Centessimus Annus which was the most recent social justice encyclical (circa 1990 Pope JPII). This document embraces capitalism and condemns socialism more than any other previous encyclical. It is a good read.
Benedict will have another encyclical on social justice out in the next few months. This will then become the critical one to review.
Excellent points. I would like to read the one slated to come out. Please ping me to it, if you come across it.
Thanks.
I was originally just going to verify the quote as it is in my list of globalist quotes.
Then it became clear that I needed to comment on more paragraphs than that one.
And, all the more so when an RC more or less accused/ insisted that I was making stuff up. Sheesh.
This document embraces capitalism and condemns socialism more than any other previous encyclical. It is a good read.
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Was that a factor in his premature departure?
It's late, so I won't be able to do your post justice, but here are a couple of things from the beginning. I hope to be able to delve into it after a few hours of shut-eye.
You quoted this passage:
. . . But since the Church does dwell among men, she has the duty "of scrutinizing the signs of the times and of interpreting them in the light of the Gospel." (14) Sharing the noblest aspirations of men and suffering when she sees these aspirations not satisfied, she wishes to help them attain their full realization. So she offers man her distinctive contribution: a global perspective on man and human realities.
And then you had the following comment: A couple of things stand out to me in this paragraph. . . . signs of the times. Thats a rather Pentecostal phrase! LOL. I wonder what his thinking was as he chose that phrase. Or does it mean something different in Latin than it does to Pentecostals in English?
First of all, Catholics, too believe in the End Times. We probably don't have the same interpretation as Pentacostals, but, as I've said before, we know that the persecution is coming...
Secondly, you notice the (14) in the quote? That corresponds to footnote 14. As a hint, whenever you read Catholic doctrinal documents, it is imperative that you know what was contained in the footnote.
In this case, it corresponded to a Pastoral Constitution issued by the Second Vatican Council, known as Gaudium et Spes. You can't read this document if you are not familiar with the quote where it was taken:
Inspired by no earthly ambition, the Church seeks but a solitary goal: to carry forward the work of Christ under the lead of the befriending Spirit. And Christ entered this world to give witness to the truth, to rescue and not to sit in judgment, to serve and not to be served.(2)
INTRODUCTORY STATEMENT THE SITUATION OF MEN IN THE MODERN WORLD
4. To carry out such a task, the Church has always had the duty of scrutinizing the signs of the times and of interpreting them in the light of the Gospel. Thus, in language intelligible to each generation, she can respond to the perennial questions which men ask about this present life and the life to come, and about the relationship of the one to the other. We must therefore recognize and understand the world in which we live, its explanations, its longings, and its often dramatic characteristics. Some of the main features of the modern world can be sketched as follows.
Today, the human race is involved in a new stage of history. Profound and rapid changes are spreading by degrees around the whole world. Triggered by the intelligence and creative energies of man, these changes recoil upon him, upon his decisions and desires, both individual and collective, and upon his manner of thinking and acting with respect to things and to people. Hence we can already speak of a true cultural and social transformation, one which has repercussions on man's religious life as well.
As happens in any crisis of growth, this transformation has brought serious difficulties in its wake. Thus while man extends his power in every direction, he does not always succeed in subjecting it to his own welfare. Striving to probe more profoundly into the deeper recesses of his own mind, he frequently appears more unsure of himself. Gradually and more precisely he lays bare the laws of society, only to be paralyzed by uncertainty about the direction to give it.
Never has the human race enjoyed such an abundance of wealth, resources and economic power, and yet a huge proportion of the worlds citizens are still tormented by hunger and poverty, while countless numbers suffer from total illiteracy. Never before has man had so keen an understanding of freedom, yet at the same time new forms of social and psychological slavery make their appearance. Although the world of today has a very vivid awareness of its unity and of how one man depends on another in needful solidarity, it is most grievously turn into opposing camps by conflicting forces. For political, social, economic, racial and ideological disputes still continue bitterly, and with them the peril of a war which would reduce everything to ashes. True, there is a growing exchange of ideas, but the very words by which key concepts are expressed take on quite different meanings in diverse ideological systems. Finally, man painstakingly searches for a better world, without a corresponding spiritual advancement.
Influenced by such a variety of complexities, many of our contemporaries are kept from accurately identifying permanent values and adjusting them properly to fresh discoveries. As a result, buffeted between hope and anxiety and pressing one another with questions about the present course of events, they are burdened down with uneasiness. This same course of events leads men to look for answers; indeed, it forces them to do so
And, yes, it should be patently obvious that the expression "signs of the times" refers to Matthew 16:3 (And in the morning, 'It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.)
Now the remainder of the verbiage in the paragraph of Populorum Progressio that you cited should probably be read in light of the above quote.
You then go to talk about Humanism. One thing that we Americans do instinctively these days in insert (in parentheses) the word "secular" in front of that. That's not how the word is ever used in a Vatican document, unless it explicitly says "atheistic" or "secular" humanism.
The actual definition of "humanism" is, The historical revival of Classical culture, notably during the Renaissance circa 16th century; An ethical system that centers on humans and their values, needs, interests, abilities, dignity and freedom; especially used for a secular one, as an alterative to religious values; Humanitariasm.
So the big thing you should be thinking when you read "humanism" in a Vatican document is the dignity of human life.
Let me give you a couple of quotes from the Catechism that sort of highlight this:
I'll try to tackle this some more in the morning, but wanted to give you some feedback initially.
And let me stress that I am truly impressed that you actually took the time to go to this document.
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