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The Story of Fatima -- Part 2
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Posted on 05/13/2009 9:53:05 AM PDT by Salvation

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"You saw hell where the souls of poor sinners go. In order to save them, God wishes to establish devotion to my Immaculate Heart in the world. If people do what I ask, many souls will be saved and there will be peace."
miracle.jpg - 6.1 K At the time that She confided the Fatima Secret to the three seers, the Blessed Virgin also promised that God would work a great miracle the following October "so that all may believe." On October 13 1917, in the presence of 70,000 eyewitnesses, a miracle was worked in the sky above Fatima at the exact moment and in the precise spot that the children had announced earlier. Witnesses recounted that the sun appeared to actually "dance" in the sky and seemed to fall to the ground before resuming its normal place in the heavens.
"On the last month, I will perform a miracle so that all may believe."
This event has now become known as "the Miracle of the Sun" and has been justly characterized as the greatest supernatural occurrence of the 20th Century. As one leading Fatima authority has noted, this great miracle "does not belong (only) to the domain of faith, or even that of science. Before all else it is an historical event."

pope1.jpg - 4.5 K The Catholic Church has officially endorsed the Fatima Message "as worthy of belief" since 1930. Five successive popes have publicly indicated their approval and belief in the validity and critical importance of the Fatima apparitions. Several popes have visited Fatima on solemn pilgrimage and Pope John Paul II has gone at least once in every decade of his pontificate. His Holiness has publicly credited Our Lady of Fatima for saving his life during an assassination attempt in 1981 (which, parenthetically, took place on the 64th anniversary of the first Fatima apparition). The following year, while in Fatima to give thanks for Her intervention, the Pope stated that "the message of Fatima is more relevant and more urgent" today than even when Our Lady first appeared.
"In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me and she will be converted and a period of peace will be granted to the world."
     In the years since the Queen of Heaven's appearances at Fatima, innumerable books, pamphlets, recordings, films and video programs imheart4.gif - 14.9 Khave been produced as part of a growing worldwide movement of faith and devotion (see Our Lady's Book Service). Belief in the Fatima apparations and Our Lady's full Message are now widely synonymous with an orthodox adherence to the doctrines, rites and traditional practices and teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. Many theologians believe that Our Lady's Message is uniquely designed for the difficult and trying times in which we live today and suggest that it is Heaven's intervention to save the world from war, hunger and need; the Catholic Church from apostasy and chaos; and the souls of countless millions from eternal damnation. While stern in its warning of the terrible punishments for sin and disobedience, Fatima remains fundamentally a life-affirming and faith-building message of hope and peace for all Catholics and others of good will everywhere.
"Only I can help you. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and the way that will lead you to God."


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To: T Minus Four
I do not, though I believe, in this instance, that there is abundant evidence for legitimacy. But that's not why I posted. I posted because your original comment "assumes" the opposite must be at play here. This, I would point out, is just as wrong as assuming, without evidence, that such apparitions are legitimate.

You juxtaposed "coming to Jesus" with what Mary is believed to have said at Fatima. you were, therefore, trying to make the two statements mutually exclusive. I sought to point out that they do not have to be. If you choose not to take any stock in what is said to have taken place at Fatima, that's okay. Even Catholics are not required to believe it. But you certainly seemed to dismiss it out-of-hand as netherworldly inspired. Again, my intent was not to convince you of Fatima's legitimacy, but to show that an appearance of Mary is no different than an appearance of other non-divine beings clearly described in Scripture. If those manifestations were "legitimate," it is simply false to cite John 14:6 as a proof-text against Fatima. Much more is required, and an honest study of Fatima probably would bring you to a different conclusion than the one you now have assumed.

So, while it is wrong, as you say, to assume that everything that claims to be from God really is, you might consider that the opposite is also true. Not everything that claims to be from God isn't. Informed discernment, in all such things, is always necessary.

21 posted on 05/13/2009 1:16:07 PM PDT by magisterium
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To: magisterium
When God sends Mary (or another saint, or an angel) on a mission to do His will here on earth in our own day, the same things apply. I marvel at how people can come to the conclusion that such things can't be from God, as if God always acts directly in mediating our affairs. Scriptural examples of His use of secondary intermediaries abound.

I marvel that Catholics will believe anything with the name Mary connected to it...

"Mary": Only I can help you. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and the way that will lead you to God.

When someone claims to have contact with a ghost and the ghost communicates and contradicts what Jesus tells us in scripture, you can bet the ghost isn't from God...

'Only I can help you'??? A message straight from Hell...

Might be wise to heed what Jesus says as opposed to ghosts that claim the opposite of what Jesus says...

It may be a little convincing if ghost Mary would just say to follow Jesus...But when the ghost says, 'follow Me', it time to pack up and leave for some better truth...

22 posted on 05/13/2009 1:25:06 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
I marvel that Catholics will believe anything with the name Mary connected to it...

Do I believe in the "Mary" of Bayside, as one example to serve for many others? NO!!!

Thus, in one word, your contention is obliterated in at least the affirmations of this Catholic. There are very many others who share my negative view of this, and a host of other alleged "Marian apparitions" right here on FR. But, through some study and discernment, we can conclude that some of the apparitions alleged to have occured are what they purport to be.

As for the rest of your comments, I can only say that my previous posts on this thread address them sufficiently. They do not need a PhD in English to parse out. Read them again. Your sentiments hardly negate them.

23 posted on 05/13/2009 1:32:11 PM PDT by magisterium
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To: magisterium

You are deceived


24 posted on 05/13/2009 1:44:43 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Matthew 15:8 - 9)
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To: T Minus Four

**Jesus: I am the way, the truth and the light. Nobody comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6) **

And that is exactly where Our Lady of Fatima sends us — straight to the Son.


25 posted on 05/13/2009 2:11:27 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: T Minus Four

Shut up and don’t judge.


26 posted on 05/13/2009 3:20:25 PM PDT by Radl (sai)
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To: Salvation

“The Vatican has approved it and many of the predictions have come true, although Russia isn’t fully converted. We still need to pray for that.”

Better we should pray for the conversion of America, S. Since the collapse of the USSR, The Church in Russia is growing and fast and we may yet live to see Holy Russia again. Here, well, you know what has happened here.


27 posted on 05/13/2009 3:56:26 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Gere's the His Holiness, Pope Benedict today!

Vultus Christi

Our Lady of Fatima

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The Holy Father Speaks of Fatima in Bethlehem


On this Feast of Our Lady of Fatima, I would like to conclude by invoking Mary's intercession as I impart my Apostolic Blessing to the children and all of you. Let us pray: Mary, Health of the Sick, Refuge of Sinners, Mother of the Redeemer: we join the many generations who have called you "Blessed". Listen to your children as we call upon your name. You promised the three children of Fatima that "in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph". May it be so! May love triumph over hatred, solidarity over division, and peace over every form of violence! May the love you bore your Son teach us to love God with all our heart, strength and soul. May the Almighty show us his mercy, strengthen us with his power, and fill us with every good thing (cf. Lk 1:46-56). We ask your Son Jesus to bless these children and all children who suffer throughout the world. May they receive health of body, strength of mind, and peace of soul. But most of all, may they know that they are loved with a love which knows no bounds or limits: the love of Christ which surpasses all understanding (cf. Eph 3:19). Amen. (Pope Benedict XVI at Caritas Baby Hospital in Bethlehem, Wednesday 13 May 2009)


My Immaculate Heart Will Triumph

Today's feast of Our Lady of Fatima coincides with the twenty-eighth anniversary of the attempt on the life of Pope John Paul II in Saint Peter's Square. In Bethlehem, Pope Benedict XVI did not forget Our Lady's feast. He spoke of the three children of Fatima and of the Blessed Virgin Mary's promise to them: "You promised the three children of Fatima that 'in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph.' May it be so!" Seven years ago Pope John Paul II declared a Year of the Rosary. In his Apostolic Letter on the Rosary, he called it "a prayer of great significance, destined to bring forth a harvest of holiness." This is worth recalling as the Church prepares to enter into another special year of grace: The Year of the Priest.

Mater Misericordiae

The Rosary is a presence of Mary, the Refuge of Sinners, saying to us in a still, small voice, "Child, never despair of God's mercy." She is Mater Misericordiae, the Mother of Mercy. Where Mary goes the mercy of God follows bringing forgiveness, healing, reconciliation, and peace. If you would know the mercy of God, seek to know the Mother of Mercy. She preserves sinners from the one sin that is greater than all other sins put together, that of despairing of the mercy of God.

Spes Nostra

By making "never to despair of God's mercy" the last of the Instruments of Good Works in Chapter Four of the Holy Rule, Saint Benedict is saying to us, "Even if you fail in all else, even if you fall into grievous sin, hold fast to this and you will not be disappointed in your hope." In the Salve Regina, Mary is called not only Mater misericordiae but also spes nostra. The Rosary is a childlike and humble way of putting our hand in the hand of the Mother of God lest we slip into discouragement, and from discouragement fall into the pit of despair.

The Face of Christ

The feast of Our Lady of Fatima compels us to ask ourselves if, with the passing years, Pope John Paul II's Year of the Rosary has become a distant memory, something vague and without bearing on us seven years later. The Rosary -- a prolonged contemplation of the Face of Christ in the company of Mary -- opens us to the mystery of Our Lord's word on the night before suffered: "He who has seen me has seen the Father" (Jn 14:9). If you would see Christ, pray the Rosary. If you would see the glory of the Father shining on the Face of the Son, pray the Rosary.

The Fragrance of the Knowledge of Christ

Do I persevere in the simple but sometimes difficult prayer of the Rosary, or I do I give in to discouragement, laziness, indifference, or routine? Where is the Rosary in my own moments of joy, light, sorrow, and glory? And where is my life in the context of the joys, lights, sorrows, and glories of Christ and of his holy Mother? Like his predecessor Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI is not ashamed to unite himself to little ones the world over who, in simplicity of heart and poverty of spirit, love the Rosary and in praying it breathe in the fragrance of the knowledge of Christ (cf. 2 Cor 2:14).

Penitence

Our Lady of Fatima's message was a call to prayer and to penitence. To prayer first, and then to penitence: this because prayer, especially the humble prayer of the Rosary softens even the most hardened heart, decapitates pride, and makes penitence possible. The grace of conversion of heart is given to those who pray for it, and for this there is no better prayer than the Rosary. One does not first change one's way of life and then begin to pray. One prays first -- and sometimes for a very long time -- in order to be able to receive the grace of inner conversion for oneself or even for another.

For me, what I find most beautiful about the Rosary is that sinners are comfortable praying it. It is a chain that, with each "Hail Mary," binds the heart more strongly to its treasure (cf. Mt 6:21). One need not be perfect to pray the Rosary; one need only be capable of saying again and again, "pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death."

The Poor Man's Rosary

The Rosary is, I said, a simple prayer. That does not mean that it is always easy. At certain times in life, one must be content with what I call "the poor man's Rosary." This may mean that when you are weary, discouraged, and unable to focus, you content yourself with saying a little phrase on each bead instead of the whole prescribed prayer: just "Hail, Mary, full of grace," or just "Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus," or just, "Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death." Do you think that Our Lady is less pleased with the humble, incomplete stammerings of a little child than with the perfect recitation of one who, by the grace of God, can do more? Many a sleepless night has been filled with the murmurings of the "poor man's Rosary" and in that humble prayer the Mother of God finds an immense joy.

A Path to Contemplation

The Rosary is the simplest and most accessible of prayers. It is, at the same time, a sure path to contemplation, leading ever more deeply, almost imperceptibly, into the stillness of the Most Holy Trinity. The Rosary is a way of abiding with Mary in the radiance of the Eucharistic Face of Jesus. It is a way into the ceaseless prayer of the heart that is an evangelical precept addressed to all: "Jesus told them a parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart" (Lk 18:1). Do that and you will be "filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit" (Ac 13:52). Our Lady of Fatima promises it.

Sr Mary Compassion OP.jpg

The lovely image of Our Lady of Fatima appearing to the three children is the work of Sister Mary of the Compassion, O.P. Born Constance Mary Rowe on March 17, 1908, she was baptized at the famous Brompton Oratory. Constance Mary Rowe won an international art award, the Prix de Rome, in 1932. In 1935 she left England for New York City, where she had accepted a number of commissions; among them was a drawing of the Dominican Saint Martin de Porres. Constance Mary Rowe was never to return to her beloved England. In 1937 she made profession as a Cloistered Dominican Sister of the Perpetual Rosary at the "Blue Chapel" in Union City, New Jersey. While I had seen her work and read about her in Jubilee magazine, I had the privilege of meeting Sister Mary of the Compassion only shortly before her death in 1977. If I am not mistaken, the "Blue Chapel" Monastery is now in the process of being closed.


28 posted on 05/13/2009 4:01:02 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Radl
Shut up and don’t judge.

Why do you say that?

29 posted on 05/13/2009 7:56:12 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Matthew 15:8 - 9)
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To: Salvation

bumpus ad summum


30 posted on 05/13/2009 8:20:19 PM PDT by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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