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To: BlackElk
You do a pretty good job of repeating communist propaganda

You are amazing: I give you verifiable historical facts (form western sources) and you call it "communist" propaganda!  Given that you seem to think so highly of Cardinal Stepinac, I could say, then, that you do a pretty good job of repeating fascist propaganda. 

Do you want to repeat Josip Brosz [sic] Tito's lying propaganda against Alois Cardinal Stepinac which will not prevent his canonization as a saint

Alojzije Stepinac was a traitor and a collaborationist Catholic archbishop of Zagreb in the so-called Independent State of Croatia, a staunch ally of Hitler's Germany. That John Paul II canonized this monster is a shameful reminder that the Vatican can err, as it did when it helped many a former Nazi war criminal find safe heaven in the West.

Franco, as a Catholic, did not roll over and play dead. He fought the reds and anarchists and defeated them

Franco was Hitler's and Mussolini's friend and ally. You find that admirable?

The reds and anarchists in Spain burned more than half of the Catholic Churches, raped and murdered countless nuns and murdered more than half the Spanish priests before Franco was able to overcome them and give them a small portion of what they had earned.

No one is defending the reds. They have "earned" their reputation in Russia earlier in the century where they destroyed 98% of the churches and killed tens of thousands of clergy.  Franco had every right to fight them. But Franco choose Hitler and Mussolini as the right guys to do business with. Right cause, wrong choice.

Here is your hero Francisco Franco and his buddy Adolf Hitler using their fascist salute to jar your memory.

I suppose you would say that just because Britain, France and the US did nothing to help Franco, they were "communist" too? Reptilian brains would think so.

He did not curl up in the corner whimpering that God must want him to be murdered.

The Russians didn't either, but the help that came was not sufficient to turn the red tide.

Instead he slaughtered the red and anarchist perps while some folks go around whining that they must kiss up to their communist bosses as though that were required of them by Christ

Apostle Paul says Christians are to submit to all authority, because authority is form God.

"For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves."—Rom 13:1-2

Now, Paul also says that he was given all this from Christ and last time I checked your Church agrees with that. So, I would say, that Christians really don't have an option in choosing to resist any authority except on their own authority, which is not from God and which carries a penalty according to St. Paul himself.

You have yet to make a biblical, or historical case for this belligerent attitude which you say is what the catholic Church teaches.

206 posted on 05/10/2009 7:59:30 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50
So Hitler's power and Stalin's power were from God and Christians should have done what they were told: running the Gulag, stoking the ovens, whatever! It certainly is true that you and I are not co-religionists and, in the absence of your conversion, we never will be.

Franco used Hitler's Luftwaffe and then turned on him to extricate Spanish ancestry Jews on threat of making Spain available for American airbases to facilitate our invasion of Europe. You and the Abraham Lincoln Brigade may disagree.

I will concede but one point to you. The government of Serbia after the overthrow of Milosevic has been a considerably better and more pro-American government.

If you do not want to be viewed in a lens that reveals your propaganda on Cardinal Stepinac and a variety of other matters to be as similar to communist propaganda, then do a better job of distinguishing it.

Uber-coward Neville Chamberlain's British government thought nothing was worth fighting for. He is not well-regarded. Vichy France was, well, Vichy France. FDR was the president who made the blunder of recognizing the soviet regime, a foolish blunder not indulged in by presidents as diverse as Wilson, Harding, Coolidge and Hoover. Neither Britain nor France nor the US were then communist but then communism is not the only error of the era. There was also cowardice in the face of evil. By 1945, that was partially rectified. In 1989, the other shoe fell along with the Iron Curtain of the Russian communist empire.

This is not a closed Catholic thread. You post your beliefs. I post mine. One of my beliefs is that the governance of the Roman Catholic Church to which you do not belong is none of your business. I don't remember suggesting that your views be suppressed in any way. If anything quite the contrary. When you post as you post, you reveal yourself and that is good. What is your point???

On second thought, don't bother because it would only lead to more useless yak-yak and no resolution. RSVP but I won't. It has been real.

214 posted on 05/10/2009 11:08:11 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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