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To: kosta50
So Hitler's power and Stalin's power were from God and Christians should have done what they were told: running the Gulag, stoking the ovens, whatever! It certainly is true that you and I are not co-religionists and, in the absence of your conversion, we never will be.

Franco used Hitler's Luftwaffe and then turned on him to extricate Spanish ancestry Jews on threat of making Spain available for American airbases to facilitate our invasion of Europe. You and the Abraham Lincoln Brigade may disagree.

I will concede but one point to you. The government of Serbia after the overthrow of Milosevic has been a considerably better and more pro-American government.

If you do not want to be viewed in a lens that reveals your propaganda on Cardinal Stepinac and a variety of other matters to be as similar to communist propaganda, then do a better job of distinguishing it.

Uber-coward Neville Chamberlain's British government thought nothing was worth fighting for. He is not well-regarded. Vichy France was, well, Vichy France. FDR was the president who made the blunder of recognizing the soviet regime, a foolish blunder not indulged in by presidents as diverse as Wilson, Harding, Coolidge and Hoover. Neither Britain nor France nor the US were then communist but then communism is not the only error of the era. There was also cowardice in the face of evil. By 1945, that was partially rectified. In 1989, the other shoe fell along with the Iron Curtain of the Russian communist empire.

This is not a closed Catholic thread. You post your beliefs. I post mine. One of my beliefs is that the governance of the Roman Catholic Church to which you do not belong is none of your business. I don't remember suggesting that your views be suppressed in any way. If anything quite the contrary. When you post as you post, you reveal yourself and that is good. What is your point???

On second thought, don't bother because it would only lead to more useless yak-yak and no resolution. RSVP but I won't. It has been real.

214 posted on 05/10/2009 11:08:11 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
So Hitler's power and Stalin's power were from God and Christians should have done what they were told

According to Paul, yes. He did not distinguish between "good" authoirty and "bad" authority. Nor did he call on Christians to rise up and rebel.

Early Christians died an masse in the areans for simply professing their faith and refusing to worship caesar. These martyrs are considered fools 20 centuries later by some who preted to be "traditional" Christians.

The Apostolic and catholic Church did not call for insurgency and "just war," but for martyrdom. f you disagree with that you disagaree not with me but with Apostolic Christianity.

I gave the the writings of the Church Fathers and I gave you quotes from the New Testament. If you have issues with them, that's soemthing between you and God. When you find a passage in the Gospels that teaches us to rebel or to seek an eye for an eye let me know.

215 posted on 05/10/2009 11:57:43 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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