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To: aruanan; BriarBey; guitarplayer1953

I concur. I cannot find scripture to support that there is a pre-tribulation rapture. Nor can I find scripture to support that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday (Venerable Day of the Sun). Nobody hides from the tribulation but many will be deceived. Just hold tight to Jesus and sing your favorite hymn while you’re being starved, executed, or purified in the furnace. It will be worth it in the long run.


51 posted on 04/06/2009 9:28:12 PM PDT by SisterK (building an underground economy one brick at a time)
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To: SisterK

Well put.


57 posted on 04/06/2009 9:30:25 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: SisterK
Nor can I find scripture to support that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday (Venerable Day of the Sun).

I don't think that anyone's maintaining that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. It's just that Sunday is the Lord's day, being the day he rose from the grave.
61 posted on 04/06/2009 9:43:20 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: SisterK
From what I have learned Paul wrote the so called claimed ‘rapture’ doctrine, Thessalonians first, about the end of 52 or the beginning of 53 A.D. Some even hold it was the first book of all the New Testament written.

Interesting to me is that by the time Paul gets to Rome and writes Ephesians, probably the end of 62 A.D., Paul does not even hint of anybody still alive in the ‘end’ days going any place. As matter of fact Ephesians 6 says the exact opposite and Paul tells us what is the require armour to stand against wiles of the devil.

And Paul being the Hebrew scholar that he was would have been very familiar with Ezekiel 13:17

Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy People, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,

18 And say, ‘Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of My People, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?

19 And will ye pollute ME among My People for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to My People that hear your lies?

20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD;

‘Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver My People out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I AM the LORD.

And Christ said the first sign of His return was ‘mass’ deception....

65 posted on 04/06/2009 9:54:07 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Bama and Company are reenacting the Pharaoh as told by Moses in Genesis!!!!!)
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To: SisterK
I concur. I cannot find scripture to support that there is a pre-tribulation rapture. Nor can I find scripture to support that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday (Venerable Day of the Sun). Nobody hides from the tribulation but many will be deceived. Just hold tight to Jesus and sing your favorite hymn while you’re being starved, executed, or purified in the furnace. It will be worth it in the long run.

Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.

Exactly, and on multiple points.

I think the tribulation is the judgement. No one escapes the judgement.

Matthew 16
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Rewards aren't given prior, they are given after.

And the furnace! Finally someone gets it about the purifying fire.

Zechariah 13:1; 8-9 (JPS-DNR)
(1) In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for purification and for sprinkling. (8) And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith YHWH, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. (9) And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried; they shall call on My name, and I will answer them; I will say: 'It is My people', and they shall say: 'YHWH is my God.'

194 posted on 04/08/2009 7:28:28 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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