Posted on 04/06/2009 4:48:19 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
There is a big difference between the wrath of Satan, who, we are told by God, is the "god" of this present age, and the wrath of God, Who, we are told and Who has a history of, taking those Who know Him and live their lives in obedience to Him, off the scene before He sends judgment.
God never promises to always protect anyone, believer or non-believer, from the horrible things which happen in this fallen, Satanic world. Bad things happen to Christians, bad things have happened to Christians in the past, and bad things will continue to happen to Christians until Christ raptures us off the earth before He sends His judgment. Don't confuse Satanically-inspired evil with God's judgment, which is reserved for those who reject His Son and Who hate Him.
And the thing that makes us "special"; the only thing that differentiates us from those who will be left behind, is our response to God's offer of salvation, His offer of a personal relationship with Him, and His offer of an eternal life spent with Him. That offer, by the way, is open to every man, woman, and child on the planet. What a person does with that offer is his or her decision and he or she is responsible for the consequences of that decision.
Why do you think yourself above laying your life on the line for your beliefs or that for some reason God has deemed some group of people more special than anyone in history? What earned you that privilage, in a time when the last days church is called the lukewarm church. Because the Church is lukewarm, steeped in pagan rituals and think themselves in need of nothing, oh so special.
Who said I "think myself above laying my life on the line"? How on earth did you come up with that?? I'm going by and believing and clinging to the Word of God which unequivocally states that those who have accepted His Son as Savior and who have had their sins forgiven as a result will be taken off this earth before He judges those who reject His Son and reject His offer of salvation. It sounds like your problem is with God and how He will carry out His plans, not me.
Gonna be ALOT of people who think God has lied to them when they don’t escape what they think they will escape. When it has been man who has done the lieing and the twisting of scripture to make himself feel safer, and an elite group unto themselves. It happened in Hitlers camp...they died believing God had lied to them and it will happen again. WHAT arrogant destructive Religious Pride.
My goodness, what rage you have. Like I said before, it looks as though you have a serious problem with God, have decided to deny what He clearly said about how He will wrap up this present Church age, and feel some need to accuse those who take God at His word and who believe what he says as having "arrogant destructive religious pride".
If you get something out of hurling accusations and engaging in name-calling, by all means, be my guest. It won't change what I know to be true, it won't change what is happening in the world that is the literal fulfillment of Bible prophecy, it won't change God's promise to those who know Him that we will not be here to suffer His judgments, and it won't change the eternal destiny of the one who hates enough to post such rage, postings which reveal something about you and the state of your heart.
One thing for sure is Satan believes that it is going to happen.That is why he always has someone who can step in.
That explains the various monsters down through the centuries that have surfaced to enslave and slaughter millions.
Satan knows it's going to happen but he doesn't know when. He'll always have a tool on standby to serve as Antichrist when the actual time arrives.
The book that I read, when it first came out was by Marvin Rosenthal — The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church, published by Thomas Nelson in 1990.
It was suggested by a Christian friend that I read it. He was sold on it, when he read it. But, I wasn’t even after reading it. I’m still pre-trib...
Amen
The Church fathers would have been wise to omit Revelation from the Bible. It is a tiresome dream-screed open to a million interpretations.
IT’S SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
IMPRESSIVE.
when pontificating mortals presume to
KNOW ABSOLUTELY PROOF POSITIVE BETTER
than Holy Spirit about Scripture.
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Thankfully, our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus was wise enough to have revealed to John on Patmos the things recorded in His book.
It is not only for us, but also for those who will have to persevere the Great Tribulation and the Remnant.
There is a big difference between the wrath of Satan, who, we are told by God, is the “god” of this present age, and the wrath of God, Who, we are told and Who has a history of, taking those Who know Him and live their lives in obedience to Him, off the scene before He sends judgment.
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Scripture says “All God’s ways are judgment.” Even the sunshine you enjoy or the blessings. God’s people have been living their lives for centuries being obedient to Him.
So your point is? He has been judging since the beginning of time...and Satan does NOTHING without God’s permission.
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before He sends His judgment. Don’t confuse Satanically-inspired evil with God’s judgment, which is reserved for those who reject His Son and Who hate Him.
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Mankind has been rejecting His Son from the beginning...a generation at a time. What makes this generation any different?
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And the thing that makes us “special”; the only thing that differentiates us from those who will be left behind, is our response to God’s offer of salvation, His offer of a personal relationship with Him, and His offer of an eternal life spent with Him. That offer, by the way, is open to every man, woman, and child on the planet. What a person does with that offer is his or her decision and he or she is responsible for the consequences of that decision.
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This has all been since the Crucifixtion...what makes this generation of lukewarm believers whom he said he would spew from his mouth so special?? The plan of salvation didn’t start with this generation.
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I’m going by and believing and clinging to the Word of God which unequivocally states that those who have accepted His Son as Savior and who have had their sins forgiven as a result will be taken off this earth before He judges those who reject His Son and reject His offer of salvation. It sounds like your problem is with God and how He will carry out His plans, not me.
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You twist the word of God. “Christ prayed that those who were his not be taken from this world but protected from the evil one.” Mankind has been rejecting Christ from the beginning. I have no problem with God’s plan, I do have a problem with those who add to or take away from scripture and Rapture is an added word...and an added twist of scripture.
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My goodness, what rage you have. Like I said before, it looks as though you have a serious problem with God, have decided to deny what He clearly said about how He will wrap up this present Church age, and feel some need to accuse those who take God at His word and who believe what he says as having “arrogant destructive religious pride”.
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You mean the same rage that Christ had when he whipped the money changers from the temple? And the same rage he had when he called the Pharisees white-washed tombstones full of dead mens works. My goodness the Pharisees were the big thing of his time...the religious elite. “The Rapture” doctrine has made alot of religious elite ALOT of money...not sure God is all that impressed, as a matter of fact I know He isn’t and I don’t blame Him.
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It won’t change what I know to be true, it won’t change what is happening in the world that is the literal fulfillment of Bible prophecy, it won’t change God’s promise to those who know Him that we will not be here to suffer His judgments, and it won’t change the eternal destiny of the one who hates enough to post such rage, postings which reveal something about you and the state of your heart.
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And it won’t change the fact that you will still be here...trying to figure out HOW you were so deceived, as it said it would be in the end days. AND yes I do feel rage when the wolves steal and deceive the sheep for their own agendas..for THEIR kingdoms...you know, the ones Satan offered Christ in the wilderness and He didn’t want them......neither do I.
My heart is for those who innocently follow the deception of men and not their sheppard who is Christ.
False prophets cry peace and safety and THAT is exactly what you are crying with your twisted version of scripture.
Peace and safety...people of God, you will not suffer, you will not stand and watch God’s judgement or be held accountable for those you said nothing to!! You are special...”God may be the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow but NOT when it comes to you. “YOU have PEACE AND SAFETY”
You’ll not hear me cry that...I’ll not be held accountable for that.
Great analogy!
You said — The Church fathers would have been wise to omit Revelation from the Bible.
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Well, although this is a bit of “tongue in cheek” commentary..., it’s *also* typical of how some people *think* about God’s Word, in that it was something that the “church” put together, instead of it being “God’s inerrant, infallible, complete and total Word”.
If the “church” was in the position of creating it, then “yes” — perhaps they should have chosen something a bit more “clean” and understandable so they could control their parishioners a bit easier... LOL...
But, since it’s actually “God’s Word”, we don’t get to “pick and choose” what we want to put in there and take out of there...
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You would have it such.
Why not eliminate the Book of Acts while you are at it?
You are clueless to the meaning and value of Scripture.
You’ll have your day in Court. Meanwhile, enjoy your reveling in ignorance.
Well stated GN, that also was my first thought.
God doesn’t chastise His flock when they are faithful to Him. Unlike times of tribulation in the past cast upon believers by those both out of fellowship and unbelievers, but the demonically influenced and demonically possessed, this Great Tribulation is described as directly caused by God Himself.
Fruchtenbaum lists 3 reasons for the Great Tribulation in his study of Scripture.
1) To make an end of wickedness and wicked ones. (Is 13:9 & Is 24:19-20)
2) To bring about worldwide revival. (Rev 7:1-17
3) To break the Power of the Holy People. (Dan 12:5-7 & Ez 20:33-38)
a bit differently:
While we are in fellowship with God through faith in Christ, we seek His Word as He provides it. A wealth of wisdom is available through what God has provided in the revelation of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus to John, while he was on Patmos as recorded in the book of Revelation, which contains His Word.
BTW, there is an admonishment in the last verses of that Book, which provide even greater emphasis on its veracity and importance, worthy for any person who doubts it, to consider before commenting upon it.
It’s only excellent if you have been lauded into the non biblical pre tribulation rapture.
Thanks for the ping!
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INDEED.
I thought it was a great analogy, too.
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