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To: MissTickly

[[Your argument is entirely dependent on the existence of hell and therefore not valid.]]

You have proof hell doesn’t exist? Lol. Just keep thinking somethign doesn’t exist- just don’t ask the rest of us to buy that crap when we’ve Met Christ personally- you speak from innexperience, then try to tell everyone that God and Hell don’t exist? You stand on the outside, trying to peer through the windows, informing everyone on the outside about htings you have no experience with- You’re apparently not even willing to see for yourself, and you expect others to beleive you? You can stomp your foot outside the door all you like, but unless you take God at His word, put your trust in Him, you can not speak as an authority on anythign concerning Him-

The argument is entirely valid- you simply refuse to speak from the position of authority via experience, and hterefore, your argument is invalid because quite frankly, you have no idea what you’re talkign about- It’s akin to you, never having seen ice in your life, refusing to beleive someone who has seen it who states it exists despite being able to produce it. Repeating over and over again that it doesn’t exist isn’t a valid argument unfortunately for you

[[It is your belief that hell is as real as a hot stove. I am inclined to disagree with that opinion.]]

Nope- it obviously went right over your head- the point is that it is NOT a ‘threat’ to warn someone of something- it is love- Your failse accusation that a waning is akin to a ‘threat’ is simpyl false- it is NO more a ‘threat’ than it woudl be for a parent to tell hteir child a hot stove will hurt them- and it certainly is NOT ‘liberating’ for that child to ignore the warning and place htier hand on that stove. Whether you personally beleive hell exists or not is irrelevent, but your accusation is false, and your attempt to make Christians out to be ignorant sheep with psychological insecurities isn’t welcome here- especially from someone who speaks from complete ignorance on the subject being that you again, refuse to meet your Creator personally

[[The idea of ‘jihad’ is a fine example.]]

Jihad has NOTHING to do with Christianity


1,088 posted on 06/29/2009 7:54:51 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

The following is a fallacy and therefore is illogical: “You have proof hell doesn’t exist? Lol. Just keep thinking somethign doesn’t exist.”

Below is the kind of fallacy you have set up (BTW, I am not calling you ignorant, it truly is the name of this particular fallacy):

Wikipedia Definition: Argument from ignorance

The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam (”appeal to ignorance” [1]), argument by lack of imagination, or negative evidence, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true.

The argument from personal incredulity, also known as argument from personal belief or argument from personal conviction, refers to an assertion that because one personally finds a premise unlikely or unbelievable, the premise can be assumed to be false, or alternatively that another preferred but unproven premise is true instead.

Both arguments commonly share this structure: a person regards the lack of evidence for one view as constituting proof that another view is true. The types of fallacies discussed in this article should not be confused with the reductio ad absurdum method of argument, in which a valid logical contradiction of the form “A and not A” is used to disprove a premise.

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Religious folks would do themselves a huge favor if they could just tolerate others who are different and if they could set aside this ‘need’ to convert others. I have to admit, it’s really annoying. AND I would be annoyed by anyone trying to push whatever opinion they have on anyone.

Doesn’t that bug you, too? Pushy people?

You should feel good in your faith regardless of what others believe or don’t believe. I don’t organize with any other atheists at all and certainly not in a way that should threaten you.

I don’t believe in hell and I think you know exactly why— whether you agree or not: No one has been to hell and come back, nor has anyone made contact with anyone in hell to ask them about it. There have been no traces of ‘hell matter’ discovered by anyone I know of. In other words, all of my senses that I have used my whole life to discern this from that, reality from fiction tell me that hell appears to be only a story at this point in time, not verified by anyone at this moment and passed on throughout history mainly by western civilizations.

Your ‘feelings’ about God & Hell are appreciated by me, but they are not ‘evidence’ of anything.


1,102 posted on 06/29/2009 1:04:38 PM PDT by MissTickly
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