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To: CottShop

The following is a fallacy and therefore is illogical: “You have proof hell doesn’t exist? Lol. Just keep thinking somethign doesn’t exist.”

Below is the kind of fallacy you have set up (BTW, I am not calling you ignorant, it truly is the name of this particular fallacy):

Wikipedia Definition: Argument from ignorance

The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam (”appeal to ignorance” [1]), argument by lack of imagination, or negative evidence, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true.

The argument from personal incredulity, also known as argument from personal belief or argument from personal conviction, refers to an assertion that because one personally finds a premise unlikely or unbelievable, the premise can be assumed to be false, or alternatively that another preferred but unproven premise is true instead.

Both arguments commonly share this structure: a person regards the lack of evidence for one view as constituting proof that another view is true. The types of fallacies discussed in this article should not be confused with the reductio ad absurdum method of argument, in which a valid logical contradiction of the form “A and not A” is used to disprove a premise.

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Religious folks would do themselves a huge favor if they could just tolerate others who are different and if they could set aside this ‘need’ to convert others. I have to admit, it’s really annoying. AND I would be annoyed by anyone trying to push whatever opinion they have on anyone.

Doesn’t that bug you, too? Pushy people?

You should feel good in your faith regardless of what others believe or don’t believe. I don’t organize with any other atheists at all and certainly not in a way that should threaten you.

I don’t believe in hell and I think you know exactly why— whether you agree or not: No one has been to hell and come back, nor has anyone made contact with anyone in hell to ask them about it. There have been no traces of ‘hell matter’ discovered by anyone I know of. In other words, all of my senses that I have used my whole life to discern this from that, reality from fiction tell me that hell appears to be only a story at this point in time, not verified by anyone at this moment and passed on throughout history mainly by western civilizations.

Your ‘feelings’ about God & Hell are appreciated by me, but they are not ‘evidence’ of anything.


1,102 posted on 06/29/2009 1:04:38 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: MissTickly

[[argument by lack of imagination, or negative evidence,]]

This is where you are wrong- it is not imaginary- IF you have proof it is, then present it- but again- you are speaking from ignorance on the issue and YOU simply beleive it doesn’t exist- YOUR belief that somethign doesn’t exist has nothign to do with hte reality of it’s existence- just as in the ice example I gave

[[Religious folks would do themselves a huge favor if they could just tolerate others who are different and if they could set aside this ‘need’ to convert others.]]

We tolorate it just fine- it’s when htose hwo don’t bweleive start insinuating that those who HAVE experienced God’s reality are living a fantasty that we are within our rights to defend our position by pointing out hte one makign htose accusations is arguing from ignorance- never having experienced what we have-

[[No one has been to hell and come back,]]

Yes we have- both in the bible, and in my own NDE experience which I’ve explained on FR before- here again, you simply assume noone has despite evidence that people have indeed bween, and despite hte bible relating just such a reality by the rich man who was allowed to speak with those on the other side, and which was recorded- Again- your statement doesn’t represent the reality of hte matter


1,106 posted on 06/29/2009 2:52:41 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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