The Atheist Perversion of Reality

April 5, 2009 | Jean F. Drew

[Hank Kerchief]

“Again, we’re not talking about Code....”

ahhh, the method or algorithms use for error correction are called “error correction CODEs, commonly abbreviated ECCs.”

http://www.eccpage.com/

So if you are not talking about that, what are you talking about?

The question is rhetorical.

Hank

[CottShop]

You are bringign two very different issues to hte table Hank- it’s hard to even follow your arguments as a result- I spoke about (and explained several times now) that hte discussion was abotu sender/receiver communication method, and not the code itself- you’ve been tryign to steer the conversation toward the code itself to support your argument I guess- if you’ll go back several posts, you will see that we were discussing the need for shannon theory which deals again, with sender receiver- not hte code itself- Code without the ability to be sent and received is useless information, and can not by itself sustain life in a fit condition- the species would fail to thrive without having a pre-existing method of sendign and receiving that code. It is this method of sendign and receiving that is vital to life, and again, this MUST all be present before life can even happen, and it MUSt be intelligently designed, and cooperate with many vital key systems such as Metainformation (code) that is forward looking and which anticipates errors in order to keep the species fit and viable

[Hank Kerchief]

“it’s hard to even follow your arguments”

Yes, that’s quite obvious, though I am not trying to make an argument. If this is too hard for you, perhaps you should stop. I don’t want to hurt your head.

Have a nice day, and all my best.

Hank

[CottShop]

[[Yes, that’s quite obvious, though I am not trying to make an argument. If this is too hard for you, perhaps you should stop.]]

Oh don’t worry Habnk- it aint too hard for me to stick to hte actual subject being discussed- what is hard is following your rabbit trails that have nothign to do with hte subject- Your first question was about life- statign that there was a possibility that it ‘always existed’- We showed that it couldn’t have always existed- then you stated life could ‘self initiate’ itself- we showed the evidence shows that it can’t- then you went on to claim shannon theory was about code- which it’s not- Not sure where you’re headed next- but don’t you fret- it’s not ‘too hard’ - just sidetrails that really have nothign to do with your first claims

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for sharing your views, dear brother in Christ!

Or is it possible humans are really spirits with a body as clothing?.. and literally no one(spirit) actually “dies”?.

To the contrary,

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. – Matthew 10:28

[hosepipe]

[ To the contrary, / And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. – Matthew 10:28 ]

This verse implies the soul(spirit) and body are two different things... as I did.. What is "a" soul(mind,emotion and will)?.. Does it need a body to exist?.. Or maybe not a human body but some kind of other conduit is sufficient... or none at all..

No doubt about it, the vanity of humans is great, they love that body.. They serve it, groom it, maintain it, feed and water it, entertain it, teach it tricks, breed it, clean it, identify with it, love it, its almost like it was a treasured pet.., they sacrifice for and to it, some worship it, idolize it.. There is no end to the things they do for the human body.. while neglecting their spirit(soul)...

Not that some have not "merged" in their minds the soul and the body.. some have.. you know; conflated them.. When humans look into a mirror they may not be seeing themselves but merely their body.. Who/What they really are(soul/spirit) may be much more beautiful(precious) than that body..

Some new agers separate them(soul/body) and do all the above mentioned "things" to both the soul(spirit) and body.. They idolize both of them.. As Jesus said 'the path" is narrow it has a ditch on both sides of it.. But theres no doubt about it.. The soul is one thing, the body is another.. Conflating them is a mistake..

[CottShop]

[[This verse implies the soul(spirit) and body are two different things... as I did..]]

I beleive the bible teaches htis as well- the spirit of life is the breath of life which God breathed into the nostrils of man at creation- the soul is the eternal ‘being’ to be wrapped in a new incorruptible body in heaven (an an undying body in hell- although people who speak about NDE’s describe beign ripped to shreds, dying, then being revived and happening all over again time and time again- never ending nightmare- I had similar ‘NDE’, although it was a bit different- I didn’t get to see the comfy white lights of heaven that most peopel see- I went hte other way- whether it was a real experience, or soemthign else- I can not state, but I was clinicly dead and had the ‘experience’ whatever it was- could have been synapsesdying, or an experience- just not sure)

[[What is “a” soul(mind,emotion and will)?..]]

Essence of who we are

[[The soul is one thing, the body is another.. Conflating them is a mistake..]]

Eat live and be merry for tomorrow we die

[Alamo-Girl]

No doubt about it, the vanity of humans is great, they love that body.. They serve it, groom it, maintain it, feed and water it, entertain it, teach it tricks, breed it, clean it, identify with it, love it, its almost like it was a treasured pet.., they sacrifice for and to it, some worship it, idolize it.. There is no end to the things they do for the human body.. while neglecting their spirit(soul)...

So true, dear brother in Christ!

Thank you for sharing your insights!

[hosepipe]

[ Eat live and be merry for tomorrow we die ]

Could be possible for your body to die but YOU won't die..
Meaning, you will live eternally somewhere.. i.e. Hell?..

If so, death might be an allusion.. responsibility for life as a human could be eternal.. What we do "here(as humans)" could impact the base of our everything.. Thereby "proving" what sort of "spirit" we are.. Not proving to God, but proving to ourselves.. Eliminating any future confusion on the issue.. Humans self sorting themselves into groups.. spiritual groups.. Even atheists/agnostics being a spiritual group.. (John ch 10).. Sheep pens and maybe Goat pens..

[CottShop]

[[Could be possible for your body to die but YOU won’t die..
Meaning, you will live eternally somewhere.. i.e. Hell?..]]

Me? Hell? No- I took God at His word and found Him to be true- goign to heaven.

[[If so, death might be an allusion..]]

It’s a real experience that we go htrough- while our soul does not die, our experiences in the flesh are real- fear nad pain are real experiences- Bunyan described the passing over pretty well

[GodGunsGuts]

Hi BB, I recently happened upon another online book that bears directly on atheism’s suicidal thought tendencies I couldn’t find where it came up, so I decided to reply with it here:

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/lewis/abolition1.htm

All the best—GGG

[Matchett-PI]

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