You have "southern" (Different mind you) denominational Irish Protestants all over Ireland mingling happily with "southern" Irish Catholics why? Could it be that the northern Irish Catholics feel a little repressed with English "occupation"? Why is it that northern Catholics in Ireland have a different POV as their "brethren", the southern Catholic Irish individual? Religious tolerance in the south but not in the North, hmmm....., wonder what the difference is?
So wait, are you laughing because I'm right?
No, I am laughing at the ignorance of the superiority complex of a secular "know it all" who thinks the Crimean War was started because Napoleon the III wanted a set of keys to some Churches. Also that the Crimean War was fought between "western" Christianity against "Eastern" Christianity even though Turkey (Muslim, Bwahahaha...) declared war on Russia which really got the ball rolling. You see, it was about Nationalism when the smoke cleared. Economic interest (Vital Black Sea trade) far outweighed religious "intentions". What religion was Britain and Turkey promoting again? You can say Napoleon III's excuse was to play politics with several powerful Catholic groups he was trying to appease, but that was not the main intention (To break Russia's stronghold). Turkey became involved because they wanted to spread "western" Christianity, again, bwahahaha... what the heck are they teaching in history classes....
They didn't need God to believe in personal liberty and freedom.
But Jefferson had no problem teaching with a Bible. I guess he thought morality (Which the State should not be in charge of promoting) should come from somewhere that was State sponsored (Jefferson was often a hypocritical creature at times).
The Constitution of the United States and its government are secular.
True but how many State Constitutions directly mention God or imply God? What is the religious makeup of the US? How is "secularism" (Wiping out God in the PUBLIC square) enhancing the US? How come Christianity was welcomed in the PUBLIC square until some oligarchy perverted Original intent and created some "establishment clause"?
Also why did you avoid all those secular societies that decayed from within because of well, secularism. You would be surprised at the influence the founders found in Ancient Greece about setting up a government. What did they modify and conclude Greeks' problems were?
I know pro-Palestinian types that try and make the case that the Arab-Israeli conflict is not religious either. Your comments about Northern Ireland mirror theirs, and have about as much merit.
If you're defining a religious conflict narrowly and say that it only covers specific arguments over religious doctrine and practices, perhaps you needed to state that at the beginning. Using your methods of argument, one could say that the Thirty Years War wasn't all about religion either, and had other causes and roots.
I don't see any need to debate the Crimean War with you any longer. You've already admitted several posts back that the roots were religious, or in your words, that's "how it started “bubbling”". Case closed.
But Jefferson had no problem teaching with a Bible.
Jefferson wrote his own version of the Bible that excluded everything supernatural and prophetic, and all passages that dealt with the Holy Trinity and Jesus' divinity. He clearly believed that Jesus' was a real person and had some worthy philosophical and moral teachings that were useful, but he obviously didn't feel that a supernatural belief in a theistic God was necessary to appreciate liberty.
True but how many State Constitutions directly mention God or imply God?
I'm not sure. But I don't think it's a coincidence that the word God isn't anywhere in the Constitution, and that the two most important facets of the document pertaining to religion are 1) the government cannot make any law that establishes religion and 2)that everyone is free to exercise religion without state interference.
How come Christianity was welcomed in the PUBLIC square until some oligarchy perverted Original intent and created some "establishment clause"?
The establishment clause was not 'created' by the courts and is not imaginary. It's very clear and simple.
What religious laws are we lacking that you'd like to get on the books?
Also why did you avoid all those secular societies that decayed from within because of well, secularism.
I've asked you to name them, and you haven't. Tell me which countries and societies you are talking about. How can I avoid something that doesn't exist?