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mormonism defining Christianity?!!
Might as well have an Hindu define Christianity. At least when they talk about their 300 million gods, they are forthright. Mormonism tries to hide their polytheism of billions or trillions of gods.
Might as well have Shirley McClain define Christianity. She claims to be god and doesn’t try to hide it. Mormonism teaches that every mormon male has the potential to become a god of his own world. They secretly hope for it. It gives them a feeling of significance while they are failing at keeping the law.
Might as well have a Scientologist define Christianity! They have their own secret planet, secret spirit children, secret knowledge, secret way of extorting money. Mormonism hides all that (Kolob, eternally pregnant goddess wives with celestial sex, secret temple handshakes and mumbo jumbo, and extorting money for temple recommends).
Might as well have a Hare Krishna define Christianity. At least their “special” clothing is evident for all to see. Mormonism hides their secret underwear with the occult symbols.
Might as well have someone chosen from random out of the phone book in Thailand define Christianity. I’d bet they would be more accurate.
Might as well go to any world religion or cult to define Christianity. They all HAVE to do something with Jesus Christ - good teacher, rabbi, prophet, etc. Mormonism steals the name of Jesus Christ and redefines Him from who the Bible reveals Him to be.
The entire foundation of lds is based of Christian hatred and distorting centuries of tradition and scripture.
Please someone tell me why you now want to be called christian.
As good a definition as anyone else’s.
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Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
Humble these ldsers are not.
Could "subscribing" be what the FCS meant?
The most fashionable heresy of the last 200 years has been arianism. theological problems aside churchs that adapt arianism soon die.
this is what happened to most european churches. this is what is happening now to american liberal churches.
mormonism is the exception...
arianism is the belief that jesus is fully man but not fully God. It stems from a 4th century dispute started by an egyptian named Arius that was resolved at the counsil of Nicea. The nicean creed spoken in many denominations comes from this period.’
The arian heresy was brought back to life and popularized in the english speaking by Issac Newton. Likely he got it from the tree of knowledge put out a century early by the french philosopher Decartes and the englishman Francis Bacon. They put theology—along with witchcraft — down as a branch subbranch of philosophy.
Decarte’s & Bacon’s tree of knowledge does bear some similiarities to the tree of knowledge in the garden of eden. But you’ll notice that God resides outside of the garden of eden and outside the tree of knowledge.
Hardly a surprize, eh? Let’s see what else is here... topic for discussion to the left....premortal existence.
Here’s a keeper for sure:
“The doctrine of premortal existence is a key element of Christian theology and helps tie together a number of principles that are taught in several advanced doctrines. It is the doctrine of the premortal existence that distinctly answers the many questions that were posed at the opening of this section regarding “where did I come from?”
A True and Loving Heavenly Father
The Apostle Paul wrote: “Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Hebrews 12:9).
In this scripture Paul personalizes the role of Heavenly Father as not just the Creator, but as the Father of our spirits. Since he is our Father, it is completely consistent that we would have been with him before coming to the earth. This personalization is further supported in Acts 17:29 where men and women are referred to as “... the offspring of God...”; in Psalms 82:6 where we are referred to as “... children of the most high...”; and in Deuteronomy 14:1 where we are referred to as “... children of the LORD your God.”
Notice the adroit passage of “Father of spirits” into “Father of OUR spirits”?
And this leap across a Grand Canyon of Logic:
“Since he is our Father, it is completely consistent that we would have been with him before coming to the earth.”
But it is circular reasoning , text book quality, we came to the earth so it is consistent with being with the Father before we came to earth. And how can we know we came to earth? Why, because humans are called children of God!
That Leap of Logic didn’t get daylight under its feet.
But in defining Christianity this Mormon apologia says’
“The doctrine of premortal existence is a key element of Christian theology....”. Of Mormon theology, yes. Of Christian theology, no.
We’ve got the tip of the tail defining the dog. Ok. Mormons are Christians and we Trinitarians aren’t. Glad that’s settled.
The question of what is Christianity has been steadfastly expounded for 2000 years. Whether or not the schismatics and heretics wish to acknowledge that fact does not change it.
The faith has been handed down and waits patiently for one to accept it.
I have always noticed that for some reason if they (cults) get the Trinity wrong they also are big into works. Those two things almost always seem to go together.
The graphic greyfoxx put up is from her photobucket site, here. http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb254/gahamm_photos/antichristiansite.jpg
The graphic on the site she posted is undoctored here:
http://www.studychristianity.com/images/logoalt.jpg
I would expect more honesty, especially in an intentionally open anti Mormon thread.
Not sure if there’s any point in commenting on this thread.
The Jesus of Mormon belief is not compatible, either historically or theologically, with the Jesus of Christians, as that word was understood up until the founding of the LDS church and has generally been understood since. There are many disputes among Christians, but they are of a different nature from the division between Christians and Mormons.
But this does not appear to be an official LDS website. So, what’s the point in arguing with these tendentious claims? Mormons are entitled to their beliefs even if we, as Catholics, Orthodox, or Protestants, believe them to be wrong. And we are entitled to our beliefs.
FIRST: MORMONISM REJECTS MANY ESSENTIAL CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES
I suggest you check out the article: We're Christians just like you! wherein the author presents a number of well-annotated examples.
If necessary, dozens of additional articles and illustrations can be found on this WEBSITE alone.
SECOND: THE MORMON CHURCH UNEQUIVOCALLY CONDEMNS CHRISTIANS AND CHRISTIANITY
And the angel of God said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people. – Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10-11If still not convinced, you can find many more similar quotes of Mormon leaders slamming Christians HERE and HERE.My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong) – and which I should join. … I was answered by God that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: "they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof." He again forbade me to join with any of them – Prophet Joseph Smith, Joseph Smith History 1:18-20
Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century. – Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167
The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God. – Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:171
Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth." – Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 6:176
Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom. – Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, 10:127
Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast. – Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225
What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing ... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God. – Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225
The Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable … but with the Bible it was not and is not so … it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization (Christianity), founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was. – Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13
In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints "do not believe in the traditional Christ."No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. – Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Church News, June 20, 1998, p.7
THIRD: THE MORMON CHURCH ITSELF REJECTS CHRISTIANITY
Beginning with Joseph Smith, Mormon prophets have steadfastly proclaimed all Christian denominations were in a state of apostasy.
This raises an interesting question. A heretic is someone who rejects one or more doctrines of religion, but an apostate is someone who has rejected the religion entirely. How is it, exactly, that you can be something you have completely dismissed? How does that work?
Mormons aren’t Christians. They’re adherents of a cult.
You have GOT to be ******* me; RIGHT??
The LDS crowd has a history of attempting to recruit Catholics into the Mormon cult.
Excerpt:
The Executive Director and Founder of the Foundation for Christian Studies is Eric Shuster, who along with his wife Marilyn, left the rich and beautiful traditions of the Catholic faith to become members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1989. Before their conversion to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, both Eric and Marilyn were active and devoted Catholics—Marilyn having been a Franciscan Nun with a bachelor’s degree in Catholic Theology from the distinguished University of Saint Thomas in Houston Texas, and Eric having served in lay ministry and leadership positions in Texas and California. Their story of conversion, along with comprehensive comparisons of key doctrines between Catholicism and Mormonism, will be available in a forthcoming book scheduled for an April 2009 release preliminarily titled Catholic Roots, Mormon Harvest.
Catholic Roots, Mormon Harvest is the captivating story of Eric and Marilyn’s conversion from Catholicism to Mormonism with comparisons of 40 key doctrines between both religions that drove their life-changing decision.
[Simply put, a Christian is defined as one who believes in Jesus Christ.]
No, it is someone who believes Jesus Christ is God. Some of you believe FastCoyote exists, but few among you believe I am the one and only God and define yourselves as FastCoyoteists. It is subterfuge to believe that Mormons are Christians in the same sense.
Sadly, the lack of Biblical literacy in this country (and worldwide for that matter), leaves people open to this type of deception. The LDS machinations are subtle, and people are willing to consider them Christians because they don’t know their Bible well enough to recognize the counterfeit.
The best thing we Christians can do, it to teach others what the Bible really says.
