CHRISTIANITY DEFINED - (LDS Site Defining Christianity) OPEN

LDS site Foundation for Christian Studies ^

[Elsie]

All of those so called QUOTES you show are NOT Scripture!!

They were speaking as MERE MEN; as you WELL know; GENTILE!

--MormonDude(I'm glad I do not have to defend those words!)

[Elsie]

Cool!

(Let the guessing begin... ;^)

[Elsie]

ADVANCED CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY

 

Miracle of Forgiveness, by Spencer. W. Kimball

Jesus the Christ (Collector's Edition), by James E. Talmage

Lectures on Faith, by Joseph Smith

Articles of Faith, by James E. Talmage

 

AND...under INTERMEDIATE CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY

 

The Great Apostasy, by James E. Talmage

 

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Move along.  No bias here...

[greyfoxx39]

I think it is SO indicative that when it comes to making a buck off book sales.....

[reaganaut]

You DO remember the JST; don’t you?

It’s that thing that MORMON Headquarters, located in SLC, has FAILED to include into the pantheon of the Standard Works®.

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That always bothered me that it wasn’t included.

When I asked, I was told “it is not a standard work because Joseph never finished it”. Ok. Then I read a reference (Documentary History of the Church, Vol. I, pp. 324 and 368, and Times and Seasons, Vol. VI, p. 802) that shows it WAS completed.

So, if it was completed, and JS was a prophet (which I no longer believe), then why not use it? And why was I lied to about it being unfinished?

[Tennessee Nana]

This is from another website...

A conversation with a TBM FIL...

(TBM FIL) hit me with the question right out of nowhere when no one else was around. “So I heard that you resigned from the church. Is that true?”

ExMo: “yeah, sure is...”

TBM FIL: “Can I ask why?”

I decided to give him the simple explanation. We no longer believe in the principles taught, and we don’t want our children to be raised with a skewed view of reality. What he said next kind of surprised me, though.

TBM FIL: “That’s okay. The Lord knows what he’s doing and if he lead you out of the church then there is probably a good reason.”

ExMo: “Uh, I don’t think you understand. The church isn’t what it claims to be and I think it’s built on a pile of lies. That’s why I resigned.”

TBM FIL: “That’s what the Lord wants you to think. I’m sure he’s just preparing your family for the next phase in your lives and when the time is right he’ll coax your family back into the waters of baptism. Not everyone is meant to take the same path and the Lord is preparing you for your personal journey”

ExMo “uuhhh... yeah.”

BIG DUH.....

I’ve read junk like this before...

Things like “god lied so that “his” work would “go forth” etc...

[Elsie]

And why was I lied to about it being unfinished?

Because you are a GENTILE!!

Don't you KNOW that it is permissable for Muslims to lie to Infidels?

[greyfoxx39]

Response to a comment made to the Foundation for Christian Studies,
from another website.

Folks:

Thank you so much for visiting the Foundation for Christian Studies. We
appreciate your feedback and communication, although you both seem to take
great exception at our approach.

We at the foundation are Christians, like the 2 billion around the world
today from 38,000 different Christian denominations.

I'm sorry you feel we are being deceptive and working a bait and switch
scheme. Would you feel the same if we were Catholics, Methodists, or
Evangelicals?

We are in no way deceptive in the least. We clearly state the Christian
Orthodoxy which we follow in the about section of the website:
http://www.studychristianity.com/christian_orthodoxy.html - which is that of
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

We are foundation and in no way affiliated with any Church. If you read my
own personal testimony as the founder, you can learn more about my own
background as a Christian and the clearly stated fact that I align myself in
believe and affiliation with the Christian denomination of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints:
http://www.studychristianity.com/founderstestimony.html

There is no deception here - myself and the board of advisors are simply
teaching the world about the Christianity that we have come to embrace. We
are not an apologetic website, nor a defender of the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints. As our foundation statement reads we are "a
non-profit organization dedicated to the study, teaching, and practice of
Christianity in a way that inspires all people, regardless of theological
differences, to come together in support of essential Christian values and
compassionate service to God's children across the globe."

If you would like to discuss a particular doctrine you feel is out of step
with your own interpretation of Christianity we would be happy to do so. If
you would like to understand our definition of a Christian you can do so on
the website at: http://www.studychristianity.com/christian_defined.html .
Perhaps we can start with what the definition of a Christian is and why you
believe myself and the rest of the foundation, even Mormons as a group of
people, are not Christians. I would be very interested in how you have
arrived at that conclusion.

I truly hope you will visit us again and join in the dialogue taking place.

May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you and your loved ones with his spirit and
redeeming love.

Sincerely,

Eric Shuster
Founder and Executive Director
The Foundation for Christian Studies
www.studychristianity.org
eshuster@studychristianity.org

[Elsie]

And why was I lied to about it being unfinished?

It's about BOOKS; you know.

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Do you REALLY think a LIVING Prophet® of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints would EVER get a revelation (wink-wink) to actually canonize a Book that a BREAKAWAY (in their terms) group of Mormons-lite owns the COPYRIGHT thereof??

[Elsie]

Things like “god lied so that “his” work would “go forth” etc...

Romans 11:32-34
32. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
33. Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!
34. "Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?"

--RestyDudette(I am SO confused!)

[Colofornian]

AND...under INTERMEDIATE CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY

More & more, the latest LDS PR spin (Millet does this in the clip Elsie often posts of him) is to present Christianity as "Mormon lite." IOW, we're supposedly the introductory version of full-blown Mormonism. They are supposedly "advanced," "mature" Christianity -- while we're" just the milky version. You see this, too, in the labeling of that book on the supposed "apostasy" as "intermediate."

You also see it in the Web site as the basis of this thread. Here's what they say:

Beyond being identified as a Christian, there is an abundance of doctrine in the scriptures that helps explain true Christian beliefs and practices—even “the deep things of God” (1 Cor. 2: 9-10). Some Christian theology is simple to understand, while other theological concepts are more difficult. Paul to the Corinthians and Hebrews used the metaphors of milk and meat to indicate there were simple doctrines (milk) and more complex doctrines (meat) (1 Cor. 3:2 and Heb. 5:12), and that one must be able to digest the milk before moving on to the more difficult to digest meat.

So the spin is basically to try to focus less and less on us as outright "apostates" and more & more to try to present us as "incomplete Christians" who need Mormonism to "complete" us.

(Yeah, right...like I always wanted to become a god / sarc)

[Elsie]

 

 

If you would like to discuss a particular doctrine you feel is out of step
with your own interpretation of Christianity we would be happy to do so. If
you would like to understand our definition of a Christian you can do so on
the website at: http://www.studychristianity.com/christian_defined.html

 

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You may think some of our doctrine a bit shifty; but if you study it real close in one area, it will be quite steady.

 

Please ignore any shifting you THINK you observe elsewhere, for if you look at THAT area; it, too, will become fixed.

[Tennessee Nana]

Stop me if I’m wrong...

But the “living mormon prophet” thingy goes like this...

Whatever a living mormon prophet has said AKA “prophecised” is no longer valid when he dies...

His words are then superseded by the new and “living” mormon prophet ???

OKAAAAAAAAAAAY...

Then since Smith is a dead mormon prophet...

And Young, Taylor, Woodruff, Snow, Smith, Grant, Smith, McKay, Smith, Lee, Kimball, Benson, Hunter, Hinckley all superseded the guy before him...

And they are all DEAD...

Starting with Joey Smith (1805-1844), all spoken and written wordsa of the lot of them are now null and void...

And only the current guy, Munson, has anything authentic and binding to say...

Thus the current guy, Munson, can start his own brand new religion...

With a clean slate...

Oh, gollies...

The book of mormon is NOT true...

Well if it was...it aint anymore...

[ejonesie22]

That is about as textbook a definition of deceptive practices as one can get.

The folks have learned well from their LDS trainers.

The doctrine is less important than the marketing.

Something made very apparent here as well due to the many different errors we see the LDS posters make about their own doctrine and scripture and the spinning and such done to ignore/deny those very same errors...

[Tennessee Nana]

Channeling MormnDude...

Didnt Resty PING you ????

Now is the time for all good mormons to come to the aid of the paltry..

[Tennessee Nana]

See how good I was at Pitmans Shorthand in high school ????

:)

[greyfoxx39]

So the spin is basically to try to focus less and less on us as outright "apostates" and more & more to try to present us as "incomplete Christians" who need Mormonism to "complete" us.

That same old "attitude of superiority" again, and here is one mormon who is a good example of......

[reaganaut]

I wasn’t a Gentile then. I was a member. But the recognition that I was being lied to about things like that is one thing that made me take a closer look at the LDS church, which is what led me out. I became a Christian shortly after leaving.

[reaganaut]

Lol. Yeah, I have heard similar things. A TBM friend of mine told me that I was “led out of the LDS church” so I could discover the “falseness” of “so-called Christian doctrine” and return to the “True Church”. And that God told her someday I would be re-baptized LDS.

Boy she is NOT going to be happy when I tell her I am getting baptized again next month, this time as a Christian, not as a Mormon.

[Tennessee Nana]

What was she drinking ???

She needs to stick to coffee...

;)