The AP Model and Shannon Theory Show the Incompleteness of Darwin’s ToE

self | January 26, 2009 | Jean F. Drew

[hosepipe]

[ Oh yes, several of these frauds have exposed themselves as liberals with their disdain for Christianity with their separation of church and state tripe. ]

I've watched several of long gone pre-opus posters that NEVER posted to political threads.. or almost never.. Could be Karl Marx and leftism/liberalism are kissing cousins.. i.e. socialists.. "big government republicans"

[hosepipe]

[ Science is a subset of reality. How can all of reality be a subset of the study of the physical, material realm? ]

Interesting point.. Physicists talking to biologists seem to be talking to their hands(biologists).. Biologists are looking in a microscope for just certain things, and Physicists seem to be looking in telescopes with one eye and looking in a microscope with the other eye

[CottShop]

[[Physicists seem to be looking in telescopes with one eye and looking in a microscope with the other eye]]

Walleyed eh?

[hosepipe]

Neils Bohr and Einstein looked at each other funny..
One was looking out the other was looking in..

[Coyoteman]

As you know, I freely disclose that the most certain knowledge I possess does not come from sensory perception or reasoning but from the revelations of God in (a) the Person of Jesus Christ, (b) the Person of the Holy Spirit, (c) Scripture and (d) Creation both physical and spiritual.

If that is the case you have no business attempting to do science, or even commenting on science.

What you are in fact practicing is the exact opposite of science.

[betty boop]

But the life of single celled organisms doesn't end as a result of degeneration. Single celled organisms have never experienced death.

Your statement seems a tad hyperbolic to me, js1138, or at least a sweeping over-generalization. Do you accept Alexis Carrel's opinion on this question? Please elaborate your point!

[js1138]

Which is it? Is it science that has the self-imposed limitations or *the other side*?

The self imposed limitation of science is that evidence must be verifiable by anyone who uses the same methodology.

The self-imposed limitation discussed by AG is that the best evidence, by definition, cannot be verified by others.

Take your pick.

[js1138]

Your statement seems a tad hyperbolic to me, js1138, or at least a sweeping over-generalization.

Single-celled organisms do not undergo Apoptosis or necrosis. Is that clearer?

[js1138]

Do you accept Alexis Carrel's opinion on this question?

Carrell apparently worked with cancer cells, which are immortal in the same sense that single celled organisms are immortal. They do not undergo apoptosis. Apoptosis is necessary in organisms that have specialized cells and specialized structures.

[js1138]

The other possibility is that Carrel’s laboratory technique was sloppy.

[betty boop]

How does a living thing stave off the effects of entropy? What does it do?

I want to make sure I understand your question. Are you asking how biological information is physically implemented?

[doc30]

I want to make sure I understand your question. Are you asking how biological information is physically implemented?

Well, that's a different question, but an interesting one. What I want to understand is how a living thing fights the effects of entropy. If a living thing does that at the base cellular/chemical level, learning how it does it might help battle the effects of entropy in other areas, don't you think?

[spunkets]

Re: What appears as phenotype in any progeny will be elements of the set of what's possible, nothing else.

"What or who defines "what is possible?"

The possibilities are not defined. They're the possible phenotypes that can arise from the dynamics and reactions that can occur in the given physical system.

[CottShop]

[[Neils Bohr and Einstein looked at each other funny..
One was looking out the other was looking in..]]

I heard einstein’s eyes were in love with each other- one kept staring at hte other

[CottShop]

Sceicne I bleeive dos know fairly extensively how cells stave off entropy- Nutritionists do as well- understanding what elements contribute to cell health and fitness, and what elements contribute to accelorated degredation. Some nutritionist explanations for elements and their effects on cells goes quite deep- explaining actions,m reactions, and so on and how htese changes affect other systems as well.

Staving off doesn’t mean defying- it means prolonging fitness in the face of entropy. I find it curious that it has taken some of htem ost brilliant minds to understand this process, and htey’ve barely scratched the surface- intelligent minds deconstructing intelligent design and discovering a controlling metasystem of info.

[Alamo-Girl]

I don't doubt it, dear CottShop.

[Alamo-Girl]

Truly, methodological naturalism focuses on a subset of "all that there is" - more specifically, it focuses on things governed by physical laws, physical causation and physical constants. Ironically, those things are not themselves physical.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for your encouragements, dear CottShop!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you! Now to get some milk ...

[Alamo-Girl]

What you are in fact practicing is the exact opposite of science.

Not at all.

Science v. faith is a false dichotomy. They are not mutual exclusive.