Posted on 01/27/2009 6:59:07 AM PST by betty boop
Edited on 01/27/2009 7:16:52 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
[[That’s for experimenters to decide. If ID proponents and creationists want to make such claims they need to get some lab work done and publish some experimental data]]
The lab work and feild research has been done and it is clear that sdpecies have specific parameters UNLESS you itnelligently design the foriegn introduction AND assure that it is not goign to mess up the whole works by predicting the effects on ALL the systems the foriegn intrusion is goign to affect- in other words- you need to understand the whole metainfo issue before hand before injecting foreign material into species that won’t interupt or violate the parameters if you expect hte species not to be negatively affected-
These experiemnts and tests have been done- both naturally and artificially using intelligently designed experiments. The evidence is clear-
References?
We are talking about a forest, not a leaf.
Also, you cannot know what I know.
Proteins are most certainly able to convey messages and by their phosphorylation state (and other modifications), are able to hold and pass along information.
Nor am I wrong about proteins. Proteins have information content - like the airways in radio transmission/reception or land lines in telephone conversations - but they are not the message nor do they constitute the successful communication of the message.
In "information theory and molecular biology" the message is DNA or RNA.
And in the Shannon model, information is the reduction of uncertainty (Shannon entropy) in the receiver (or molecular machine) in going from a before state to an after state.
[[Where does the “information” come from? the environment, via the process of selection. Bill Dembski has just authored a paper on the subject, admitting what biologists have argued all along. Selection is a source of information.]]
You are being disingenious here with htis statement- Bill Demski ADMITS that he doesn’t know where the informaiton coems from and that it NEEDS to be present before any change can happen macroevolutionwise- His paper is about complex specified informaiton, and he admits that a source for metainfo HAS to exist before hand, but has NO explanation for how it can be transfered to species IF it exists in nature- You are misrepresentign his conclusions and admissions. There is no evidence to show metainfo can exist independently in, and be be accumulated through natural lateral transference- nor is there any evidence it can be built up in a stepwise fashion.
There are several rebuttals to Demski’s paper already, and contrary to your earlier claim, more andm ore sicentists are not takign a look at his claims because they understand that metainfo (or CSI as Demski lieks to calll it- however, his CSI is far too shallow, and exists at a much lower level than true metainfo- and this only further goes to hte problem of completed metainfo) must exist before hand
Absolutely outstanding betty boop!
[[Sorry, but there are thousands of insertion points. None of them preferred over others.]]
neato chart, but sorry- certain virri do have preferred insertion biases- and it is not surprising that similarly designed creatures would have similar retroviruses and similar scars at similar sites
[[I can’t help you. The argument is phrased as simply as possible.]]
It’s not an arguemnt- it’s an assertion that has no relevence to common design. You backed off making your point in other htreads too, and I see you’re goign to here as well- oh well- whatever.
Let's see your data.
I'm merely reporting what Dembski said on his website, Uncommon Descent. A very recent blog.
Reading the mind of another Freeper - including attributing motives to him - is a form of "making it personal."
Indeed, many DNA’s would not be transcribed into RNA’s that would be turned into functional proteins if not for the “message” received by a protein at the cell surface, transduced to other signaling pathways involving proteins, that result in an active protein transcription factor binding to the promoter region of the DNA it is to transcribe to make a necessary subset of proteins to respond to the signal the cell received.
To deny that proteins convey messages is once again, to betray your ignorance of the subject. Even worse you are apparently unwilling or unable to learn and thus rectify your ignorance of the subject.
What supreme irony that the very next post, (#55 at the end) explains why allmendream (in #54) is incapable of understanding what he reads, and as such attacks that which he doesn’t understand, with, you guessed it...”makes no sense”.
Of course it doesn’t make sense to a materialist.
[[But successful communication by conveying molecular “messages” is EXACTLY what proteins are capable of. Your suggestion that they are unable to convey a message shows that you know very little about protein signal transduction and have not even attempted to deal with it in an intelligent fashion.]]
Once again allmen- you are misunderstandign the point- they ARE icnapable of conveying hte message until acted on by outside influence- the message itself is worthless unless there is some kind of action- You are tryign to make it seem as though the point is ismply about a message when it is not- it is about hte message being useless in and of itself- it NEEDS governing action from without in order to be useful, and that is hte whole point of htis article- there HAS to be a governing system of metainfo alreadt present before any message can be useful. A sealed letter sitting on a desk instrucitng someone to take some action is useless UNLESS it is acted upon and delivered to the other person- IF there is no outside intelligently controlled agent of action, the letter has no meaning to those it is intended for- it is only when htta letter is delivered, opened, understood, and finally acted upon that it has any meaning.
You are so cute. So me where I mentioned ID.
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