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To: thefrankbaum
[ There cannot be multiple truths;
there is only Truth, and doctrine is either in accord with Truth or not.
Obviously, I believe the Church is correct. ]

Which "church"(denomination)...

[ I agree. But how do you discern where the Holy Spirit is? ]

The HS is looking over your shoulder as you type the next post..

[ You mean strange rites and ceremonies like Passover and Baptism? ]

Yes, and many others.. and their variations..
Presence of the Holy Spirit trumps ceremony and sacrament..

[ So, as you see it, people are not smart. I don't quite follow. ]

Its the "observer problem".. People see "things" quite differently..
Depending on the vantage point..

[ His prayer was "that they may all be one." Seems like He didn't want denominations. ]

The truth is there is only one church/body of christ/ bride of christ..
Denominations are holding pens.. the pasture w/the shepard is outside
of the sheep pens (John ch 10).. Eklesia(church) are "those called out of"..
Called out of what?.. Now there is the question/dilemma.. (for some)

(Some people must do some research on the word Eklesia..)

[ John 10 talks about one flock, one Shepard. Where are you getting "holding tanks?" ]

I just answered that.. above..

89 posted on 01/23/2009 10:47:35 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
Yes, and many others.. and their variations..
Presence of the Holy Spirit trumps ceremony and sacrament..

If you can't see the justification for Baptism, we cannot continue this conversation. You apparently recognize no authority but your own.

100 posted on 01/23/2009 11:23:23 AM PST by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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