My conception? Christ. I don't pretend to understand Him more than He has revealed, but He has revealed quite a bit.
People get lots if "ideas" and make doctrines.. codify them and form denominations of followers(sheep pens).. (John ch10).. WHO then, is correct/accurate?.. If any are?..
There cannot be multiple truths; there is only Truth, and doctrine is either in accord with Truth or not. Obviously, I believe the Church is correct.
That "IS" why we need the Holy Spirit.. and WHY? Jesus left the Holy Spirit in charge of this planet..
I agree. But how do you discern where the Holy Spirit is?
Because people get strange ideas and "conceive" of strange rites and ceremony's(sacraments)
You mean strange rites and ceremonies like Passover and Baptism?
.. and develop doctrines..
Again, there is only Truth, and that Truth is Christ. Doctrines which reflect Truth are doctrines which reflect Christ.
The Jews did/and do as christians did/and do.. People are not too smart as I see it.. Thats WHY?
So, as you see it, people are not smart. I don't quite follow.
Jesus did not forbid denominations even though he no doubt KNEW they would be some(denominations).. (being GOD)..
His prayer was "that they may all be one." Seems like He didn't want denominations.
People gather together in sheep pens as holding "tanks".. UNTIL they can be called out of them.. IF they will come.. (as John ch 10 intones)..
John 10 talks about one flock, one Shepard. Where are you getting "holding tanks?"
Which "church"(denomination)...
[ I agree. But how do you discern where the Holy Spirit is? ]
The HS is looking over your shoulder as you type the next post..
[ You mean strange rites and ceremonies like Passover and Baptism? ]
Yes, and many others.. and their variations..
Presence of the Holy Spirit trumps ceremony and sacrament..
[ So, as you see it, people are not smart. I don't quite follow. ]
Its the "observer problem".. People see "things" quite differently..
Depending on the vantage point..
[ His prayer was "that they may all be one." Seems like He didn't want denominations. ]
The truth is there is only one church/body of christ/ bride of christ..
Denominations are holding pens.. the pasture w/the shepard is outside
of the sheep pens (John ch 10).. Eklesia(church) are "those called out of"..
Called out of what?.. Now there is the question/dilemma.. (for some)
(Some people must do some research on the word Eklesia..)
[ John 10 talks about one flock, one Shepard. Where are you getting "holding tanks?" ]
I just answered that.. above..
Frank, Frank, Frank . . . don’t you get it?
John 10 is the answer to everything.
EVERYTHING.