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To: DelphiUser; Godzilla; greyfoxx39; delacoert; conservativegramma; colorcountry; Elsie; ...

At least we are in agreement on this doctrine? That it is not what we should be preaching?

Apostle Bruce R. McConkie did not hesitate to make this matter crystal clear:

“These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.” (Mormon Doctrine, 1979, pages 546-47)

And I bet I can still find more. Again, literally.


1,186 posted on 01/07/2009 4:56:18 PM PST by cruise_missile
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To: cruise_missile
Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.”
1,211 posted on 01/08/2009 4:28:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: cruise_missile
Apostle Bruce R. McConkie did not hesitate to make this matter crystal clear:

You really should read my page on Do Mormons believe that Mary was a virgin? before you quote things.

Bruce R McConkie was a relative of mine, I take at the misstating of his position.

Some want to quote from Bruce R McConkie about Jesus' literal and natural relationship with God the Father. Here is an article written by Bruce R McConkie called: Come, Know the Lord Jesus
Adam and Eve made all things known to their seed so they might believe in Christ, repent of their sins, be baptized, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, and work the works of righteousness.

Christ and his laws were revealed to all the holy prophets. As Peter said, “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.” (Acts 10:43.)

He was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of Israel, the Holy One, the Lord Omnipotent. He was the promised Messiah, the Savior and Redeemer, the Son of David; and at the appointed time he was born of a virgin in Bethlehem of Judea, according to the promises.

From Mary, his mother, a mortal woman, he inherited the power of mortality, so that he was subject to all the temptations and ills of the flesh, including death itself. From God, his Father, an Immortal Man, he inherited the power of immortality, so that he had power to live forever, or having voluntarily laid down his life, to take it up again in immortal glory.

He came into the world to ransom men from the temporal and spiritual death brought upon them by the fall of Adam. He came to satisfy the demands of divine justice and to bring mercy to the penitent. He came as a Mediator, as an Intercessor, to plead the cause of all those who believe in him.

He came to bring immortality to all men as a free gift. He came to make eternal life available on conditions of obedience to the laws and ordinances of his gospel. He came to bring hope, to bring joy, to bring peace, to bring salvation; and his is the only name given under heaven whereby salvation comes.
Please note the bold sections, and specifically the italicized section, born of a virgin. Why do Mormons talk about God the Father's involvement, because it's important to understand that God works within his own laws. God set up this world and this universe, he does not "cheat" by breaking laws, Jesus was who he was, not just because he was the savior, but because he was genetically God as well, Jesus was the only man who could have performed the atonement because he was both fully man (inherited from his mother) and fully God (inherited from his father).

Mormons always have, and always will believe in the virgin birth, it's in our canonized scriptures, it's taught by our leaders, it's not optional for us.

Capisce?
1,258 posted on 01/10/2009 10:06:48 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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