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To: DelphiUser
I have no idea where you got this certificate thing, I got several while in scouts and even from some places where I passed tests, but I am not aware of any certification from my church that gives me salvation, did I miss something (else)?

Since YOU ain't the Living Prophet of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints, we can ONLY go by what an ex-Living Prophet of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints said long ago:


 
 


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?


"If I ever pass into heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of Prophet Joseph"
--Brigham Young
--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224



 
BY believed this or LIED about it.
 
DU; do YOU believe it??

1,058 posted on 01/07/2009 5:44:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
DU - "I have no idea where you got this certificate thing, I got several while in scouts and even from some places where I passed tests, but I am not aware of any certification from my church that gives me salvation, did I miss something (else)?"

LC - "Since YOU ain't the Living Prophet of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints, we can ONLY go by what an ex-Living Prophet of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints said long ago:"

Apparently you don't know what it means to be a "Judge in Israel. any and all who are called to preach, or prophesy to a people (Joseph Smith having opened this the dispensation of the fullness of times, is the chief prophet of his age, like Moses of his and Adam of his) as such he will pronounce the commandments of God that he was commanded to give and all from this dispensation will state their status in keeping them. Final judgment is Jesus Christ's job.

(This is from the Canonized works, not just the journal of discourses.)

12 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, and it hath gone forth in a firm decree, by the will of the Father, that mine apostles, the Twelve which were with me in my ministry at Jerusalem, shall stand at my right hand at the day of my coming in a pillar of fire, being clothed with robes of righteousness, with crowns upon their heads, in glory even as I am, to judge the whole house of Israel, even as many as have loved me and kept my commandments, and none else.
Joseph wrote that and Brigham young had the D&C published, so...

You might also want to look at what the Bible says about apostles as JudgesMatt. 19: 28, and Luke 22: 30.

Lastly, I will quote to you from the Book of Mormon (some have complained that I use the Bible too much :-)
41 O then, my beloved brethren, come unto the Lord, the Holy One. Remember that his paths are righteous. Behold, the way for man is narrow, but it lieth in a straight course before him, and the keeper of the gate is the Holy One of Israel; and he employeth no servant there; and there is none other way save it be by the gate; for he cannot be deceived, for the Lord God is his name.
LC - "BY believed this or LIED about it. DU; do YOU believe it??"

Actually, Brigham Young believed it in the Biblical sense, as do I.

No member of the church could be deceived into believing that we believe Joseph Smith will be our "judge", so I must conclude that your intent was to deceive those not in the church.

What should we expect from a man who posts under a woman's name but confusion?
1,079 posted on 01/07/2009 8:46:02 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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