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To: Coyoteman; alstewartfan

No that would be you that are wrong Coyoteman.

“Darwinists”/”Darwinian” is a valid and apt description of people that accept the theory of evolution as a cult and not a theory. And it is they who demand others to conform to their way of thinking, lest they be sued into silence, among other things.

It is also the cult of evolution darwinist types that make comments like “injecting religion into science” or “that’s not science”.

Indeed, this very example illustrates this very truth:

From www.dissentfromdarwin.org

As a chemist, the most fascinating issue for me revolves around the origin of life. Before life began, there was no biology, only chemistry – and chemistry is the same for all time. What works (or not) today, worked (or not) back in the beginning. So, our ideas about what happened on Earth prior to the emergence of life are eminently testable in the lab. And what we have seen thus far when the reactions are left unguided as they would be in the natural world is not much. Indeed, the decomposition reactions and competing reactions out distance the synthetic reactions by far. It is only when an intelligent agent (such as a scientist or graduate student) intervenes and “tweaks” the reactions conditions “just right” do we see any progress at all, and even then it is still quite limited and very far from where we need to get. Thus, it is the very chemistry that speaks of a need for something more than just time and chance. And whether that be simply a highly specified set of initial conditions (fine-tuning) or some form of continual guidance until life ultimately emerges is still unknown. But what we do know is the random chemical reactions are both woefully insufficient and are often working against the pathways needed to succeed. For these reasons I have serious doubts about whether the current Darwinian paradigm will ever make additional progress in this area.

Edward Peltzer
Ph.D. Oceanography, University of California, San Diego (Scripps Institute)
Associate Editor, Marine Chemistry

I’ve seen this argument dismissed as “religion”, or “this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about” or “he’s just an apologist for religion”.

But there’s nothing religious about this guy’s work and he’s indeed a scientist, but this is always dismissed, for no other reason that it is the cultists that indeed have the hang-ups and do the demonizing against those that disagree with them.


194 posted on 12/15/2008 7:43:43 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
I’ve seen this argument dismissed as “religion”, or “this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about” or “he’s just an apologist for religion”.

I personally like the "Goat Herder" description of Scripture writers.

It shows SO much understanding of what they so easily deride.

207 posted on 12/16/2008 4:22:48 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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