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To: kosta50
You say mine are extreme examples. I posted links a to a well made Catholic documentary that leaves no doubt these exceptions are quite common, as they are deeply un-Catholic.

No matter how well made, it does not reflect what is truly the norm. While regrettably the examples shown do exist, they are none the less very uncommon. The producer of that video has a particular axe to grind and is exaggerating what the normal worshipper encounters to discredit the validity of the entire Novus Ordo. I would describe your typical parish Mass more as bland than offensive. Would that more of the Masses be like the video in the link that I gave. Despite the real shortcomings of the Novus Ordo compared to the TLM, I would hazard to guess that you would agree that the Mass in the video is a valid and dignified liturgy.

You speak of "our "disobedience" to the Church. With all due respect, you made me laugh. Your side has much less obedience to the Church then we do.

If you look again at my post you will see that I was referring to the disobedience of Catholics.

Your side has much less obedience to the Church then we do. Your only criterion is that we kiss the Pope's feet. Let me tell you something: never. Maybe one day we will kiss his hand that holds the Eucharist; his feet never.

The Patriarch was not required to kiss the feet of the Pope at Ferrara/Florence. Nor is it even a part of the present papal protocol, so why bring it up? Constantly bringing up past offenses rather than addressing the present situation only serves to rub salt into the wound and is against our Lord's admonition to forgive one another.

230 posted on 12/12/2008 5:07:04 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
The Patriarch was not required to kiss the feet of the Pope at Ferrara/Florence. Nor is it even a part of the present papal protocol, so why bring it up? Constantly bringing up past offenses rather than addressing the present situation only serves to rub salt into the wound and is against our Lord's admonition to forgive one another.

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Amen.

232 posted on 12/12/2008 5:11:16 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Petrosius
Despite the real shortcomings of the Novus Ordo compared to the TLM, I would hazard to guess that you would agree that the Mass in the video is a valid and dignified liturgy

Without a doubt. But it is not a norm. It is part of the rainbow of "norms" practiced across the Catholic spectrum. So, which is the norm? Obviously, depends where you are! That's not what catholic means, and you know that.

That's precisely why the Council of Trent made the TLM mandatory with very few exceptions within the Latin Rite.

If you look again at my post you will see that I was referring to the disobedience of Catholics. If I misunderstood, I apologize.

The Patriarch was not required to kiss the feet of the Pope at Ferrara/Florence. Nor is it even a part of the present papal protocol, so why bring it up?

It was a illustration to make a point of submission to the ope as the "supreme" being in the Church. He is the elder patriarch to us. Not a ruler. That's never going to change.

Constantly bringing up past offenses rather than addressing the present situation only serves to rub salt into the wound and is against our Lord's admonition to forgive one another

I agree. No need to dig up the past. Let's just have the list of what the Catholic Church wants form us in order to make reunion possible. And what does the Catholic Church offer in return to make it worth our consideration.

The past is water under the bridge. I really don't care what was done because no one can fix it. Let's hear what we can do, how and why.

234 posted on 12/12/2008 5:19:07 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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