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Who Changed The Sabbath to Sunday?
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Posted on 09/21/2008 3:36:38 PM PDT by TaraP

What is the real historical and Biblical truth about who changed the Sabbath to Sunday. Where in the Bible do we find one single legitimate scripture stating the Sabbath is changed to Sunday?

What is it about the Sabbath Commandment truth that meets with so much opposition? Why are there tens of thousands of Churches that observe the Seventh day Sabbath? Did you know that there are now more than five hundred denominations that keep the Seventh Day Sabbath? America are about to hold their third Ten Commandments Commission day now in 2008, and because of this yearly event, many Churches started doing studies on the Ten Commandments between the first and second Ten Commandment days, which resulted in another 100 different denominations switching back to the Seventh Day Sabbath. What is it that they found that made them change back to the Seventh day Sabbath? There are hundreds of excuses floating around to choose from as to why the Seventh Day Sabbath is no longer relevant - or is it? In the Bible we find that there are over 40 verses from Paul alone as to why circumcision is not done anymore. How important are the Ten Bible Commandments in comparison to circumcision? If Paul says that the Ten Commandments are what matters and Circumcision is nothing, and we have more than 40 verses and up to 10 verses at a time explaining that Circumcision of the flesh is not relevant anymore, then how many scriptures should we expect to have telling us that the Sabbath is changed to Sunday.

1 Corinthians 7:19 “Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the Commandments of God.” For Discussion...


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To: TaraP

The question at the top of this thread is as fascinating and grave as “How Do I Change my Tagline?”


101 posted on 09/21/2008 6:35:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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To: TaraP

The transfer of the dignity of the sabbath from the seventh day to the Lord’s Day was done by the Holy Apostles. The Synaxarion for Pascha read at the Orthros of Pascha in every Orthodox Church in the world testifies to this.

The matter is also address by St. Justin the Philosopher (titled Justin Martyr by Western Christians) in whose Apology, written in the middle of the second century, the gathering of Christians on the morning of the first day of the week is described.

Likewise the Didache, a document attested in numerous patristic writings, a second century manuscript of which was discovered in the library of the Patriarchate of Constantinple late in the 19th century, whose author subtitled it “The teachings of the Holy Apostles” bids Christians gather for worship on ‘The Lord’s Day’, that is Kyriakie in Greek, the day of the week called ‘Sunday’ in English.

Anyone who tells you that the transfer has something to do with St. Constantine, or Roman sunworship, is either lying, misinformed, or confused—the English name of the day ‘Sunday’ is , indeed, a pagan name, but the practice of worshipping on that day dates to when most Christians spoke Greek, and Greek speaking Christians had renamed the day ‘Kyriakie’, the Lord’s Day, which is its name in Greek to this day—as the patristic testimonies I cite show that the Christian practice of worshipping on Sunday dates to the period of the pagan persecutions, at least.


102 posted on 09/21/2008 6:53:21 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (For real change stop electing lawyers: Fighter-Pilot/Hockey-Mom '08.)
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To: bdeaner
How do you square that interpretation of the Greek with the quotes from early Church Fathers such as St. Ignatius and St. Justin? Why then does the early Church celebrate Mass on Sundays?

Well.....I don't look to the Early Church Fathers for divinely inspired writings. I do consider most of what they wrote as valid history....but always consider it to be humanly inspired. therefore.....much of what they have written is biased to a degree.....or simply wrong.

If you read the Greek or a Literal translation you will uncover much of this bias. I believe that Sunday worship was inspired by Simon Magus and even Justin calls his followers (Simon's) Christians. [Chapter XXVI First Apology] It was natural that they would choose Sunday as their day of worship as Simon was descended from Babylonian Sun Worshipers.

So....it is historical fact that there were folks in Rome during the first and second centuries....followers of Simon Magus' teaching.... calling themselves Christians and observing Sunday as their day of worship. It is not strange therefore to wonder why certain factions did not continue honoring the Sabbath. After all, Rome was the center of the universe.....in those days.

103 posted on 09/21/2008 6:54:39 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: DouglasKC

“but you went downhill very quickly. I’ve been courteous and respectful (though I may have come close to crossing that line) to you.”

Riight...

My reaction to you just came out of the blue...

POT KETTLE BLACK


104 posted on 09/21/2008 7:00:25 PM PDT by TrevorSnowsrap
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To: TrevorSnowsrap
Riight... My reaction to you just came out of the blue... POT KETTLE BLACK

Show me where you think I wronged you.

105 posted on 09/21/2008 7:04:18 PM PDT by DouglasKC (.)
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To: Diego1618
Well, that's a pretty poor word study.

The word used in Acts 20:7 is σαββάτων, as you say. What you are missing is the tense and how that tense is used. σαββάτων (sabbaths) is the genetive plural neuter of the genetive plural imperfect σάββατον (sabbaths).

When used on the genetive plural tense σαββάτων is translated as "week" (as in a week is a "Sabbath's time" or "from Sabbath to Sabbath"). So ἐν δὲ τῇ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων or On the first day between Sabbaths or more commonly translated On the first day of the week.

Other usages in the NT:
Luke 18:12 νηστεύω δὶς τοῦ σαββάτου translated, I fast twice a week.

1 Cor 16:2 κατὰ μίαν σαββάτου ἕκαστος translated On the first of every week.

And these:
Matthew 28:1 Ὀψὲ δὲ σαββάτων, τῇ ἐπιφωσκούσῃ εἰς μίαν σαββάτων Literally translated Ending now the sabbaths, as was dawning on first sabbaths or "At the ending of the week, at the dawn of a new week" or translated Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week
and Luke 24:1 Τῇ δὲ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων ὄρθρου translated literallyBut now on one of after sabbaths early after dawn (or early after the cock's crow) or "But now on one of after the end of the week, early in the morning" or translated But on the first day of the week, at early dawn
and John 20:1 Τῇ δὲ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων same as above.

So, from Luke 24:1, John 20:1, and Matthew 28:1, the women came to the tomb early in the morning, after dawn on the first day of the week (or one day after the end of the week, or one day after the end of the sabbaths, or one day after the period of time between sabbaths), and Jesus had by then been risen.
All the Genetive useages in the NT: Mat 28:1, Mar 16:2, Mar 16:9, Luk 18:12, Luk 24:1, Joh 20:1, Joh 20:19, Act 20:7, 1Co 16:2

For further word comparison: Matt 12:1 Ἐν ἐκείνῳ τῷ καιρῷ ἐπορεύθη ὁ Ἰησοῦς τοῖς σάββασιν translated At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. Note: This time the tense is dative plural neuter, this tense is used to describe the day of Sabbath itself.
also Matt 12:2 οὐκ ἔξεστιν ποιεῖν ἐν σαββάτῳ. translated what is not lawful on a Sabbath... dative plural imperfect... the day of Sabbath.
also Luke 14:3 ἔξεστιν τῷ σαββάτῳ θεραπεῦσαι translated is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath... dative plural imperfect... the day of the Sabbath.
Further dative useages (it would take to long to type them all out). All describe the Sabbath day: Mat 12:5, Mat 12:8, Mat 12:10, Mat 12:11, Mat 12:12, Mat 24:20, Mat 28:1, Mar 1:21, Mar 2:23, Mar 2:24, Mar 2:27, Mar 2:27, Mar 2:28, Mar 3:2, Mar 3:4, Mar 6:2, Mar 16:1, Luk 4:16, Luk 4:31, Luk 6:1, Luk 6:2, Luk 6:5, Luk 6:6, Luk 6:7, Luk 6:9, Luk 13:10, Luk 13:14, Luk 13:14, Luk 13:15, Luk 13:16, Luk 14:1, Luk 14:5, Luk 23:54, Luk 23:56, Joh 5:9, Joh 5:10, Joh 5:16, Joh 5:18, Joh 7:22, Joh 7:23, Joh 7:23, Joh 9:14, Joh 9:16, Joh 19:31, Joh 19:31, Act 1:12, Act 13:14, Act 13:27, Act 13:42, Act 13:44, Act 15:21, Act 16:13, Act 17:2, Act 18:4, Col 2:16

A very good online Greek Bible.
106 posted on 09/21/2008 7:09:17 PM PDT by raynearhood ("As for you, when wide awake you are asleep, and asleep when you write..." - Jerome)
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To: DouglasKC

“If you want to ask questions or debate I don’t mind, but I don’t think I’m going to answer as long as they’re couched in sarcasm and/or insults.”

And once again my original question contains nothing of what you describe above.

And once again I have to ask why you are distorting what I asked.

My original question which was polite and is given below.

“You really didn’t answer his question since presumably there would more than the ten commandments that are being talked about. There are many laws, such as the dietary laws, that are not part of the ten commandments”

Why are you having so much trouble in being honest?


107 posted on 09/21/2008 7:09:59 PM PDT by TrevorSnowsrap
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To: DouglasKC

You’re kidding right?

I keep giving examples but you ignore them and continue distorting my replies or acting as though I haven’t given examples.

This isn’t rocket science guy.


108 posted on 09/21/2008 7:12:24 PM PDT by TrevorSnowsrap
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To: TaraP
But we sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days joined them at Troas, where we stayed seven days. Now on the first day of the week when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.
Acts 20:6-7

They observed the Lord's Supper on a Sunday.

Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.
1 Corinthians 16:1-2

They took up collections at the Church at Corinth on Sunday.

On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit
Rev 1:10

If you want to observe the legalistic Old Testament requirements of Judaism then you should be observing the dietary laws etc.

This link gives some of the early church references to Sunday being the day Christians worship: http://www.bible.ca/7-lords-day.htm

109 posted on 09/21/2008 7:14:14 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: DouglasKC

The law that applied to the Jews.


110 posted on 09/21/2008 7:18:38 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: Alouette

“What do I know, I’m Jewish anyway.”

ROTFLMBO!


111 posted on 09/21/2008 7:19:01 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Awestruck

If He didn’t care which, why did He specify which one? Why put “remember the SEVENTH DAY” in the middle of the 10 Commandments? The 7th day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.


112 posted on 09/21/2008 7:36:37 PM PDT by DeLaine (Exodus 20:8)
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To: fso301

I’m not, I just keep the Sabbath that the Lord chose, instead of what man chose.


113 posted on 09/21/2008 7:38:04 PM PDT by DeLaine (Exodus 20:8)
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To: Irene Adler; TaraP

Baptism is to commemorate the resurrection.

the Sabbath is a memorial to Creation.


114 posted on 09/21/2008 7:40:22 PM PDT by DeLaine (Exodus 20:8)
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To: TrevorSnowsrap
My original question which was polite and is given below. “You really didn’t answer his question since presumably there would more than the ten commandments that are being talked about. There are many laws, such as the dietary laws, that are not part of the ten commandments”
Why are you having so much trouble in being honest?

Sigh. I don't have trouble being honest and I'm sorry you think that way.

All laws are part of the ten commandments. The dietary laws would fall under the general heading of the 1st commandment and the 5th commandment. The first commandment because ignoring the Lord's scriptural instruction is believing other philosophies over the Lord's. The 5th commandment being that as God is my father I'm disobeying his wishes, not honoring his wishes.

See post 62 for more explanation.

I hope it helps...

115 posted on 09/21/2008 7:40:59 PM PDT by DouglasKC (.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Nothing like substituting your own will for God’s.


116 posted on 09/21/2008 7:41:04 PM PDT by DeLaine (Exodus 20:8)
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To: lasereye
The sabbath is the Old Law.
What exactly does this mean?
The law that applied to the Jews.

Which law would that be pertaining to the sabbath and where can I find it in scripture?

117 posted on 09/21/2008 7:43:54 PM PDT by DouglasKC (.)
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To: Alouette

Exactly. God chose one day, Man chose another. That’s the whole point! Thank you.


118 posted on 09/21/2008 7:44:19 PM PDT by DeLaine (Exodus 20:8)
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To: TaraP
No one changed the Sabbath to Sunday. As one reply stated, its like comparing apples and oranges. The Sabbath is day commanded to be a day of rest and to keep holy. This had nothing to do with why most Christians worship on Sunday.

We worship on Sunday because Christ resurrected on a Sunday (Mat 28:1, Mar 16:2, Mar 16:9, Luk 24:1, Joh 20:1, Joh 20:19) and because the early church of the NT worshipped on Sunday (Act 20:7, 1Co 16:2).

No one did away with the Sabbath, Christ fulfilled it (Col 2:16).

For a quick study of the Greek debunking any assertation that the proper translation of 1Co 16:2 κατὰ μίαν σαββάτου ἕκαστος is "the first of every week" or that the Greek doesn't show that Christ rose the day after Sabbath, refer to reply #106.
119 posted on 09/21/2008 7:46:17 PM PDT by raynearhood ("As for you, when wide awake you are asleep, and asleep when you write..." - Jerome)
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To: guitarplayer1953

No, not at all, there is a Sabbath day, identified as the 7th day in the weekly cycle.

I guess we can choose whether to break the other 9 Commandments then???


120 posted on 09/21/2008 7:46:20 PM PDT by DeLaine (Exodus 20:8)
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