Posted on 09/21/2008 3:36:38 PM PDT by TaraP
What is the real historical and Biblical truth about who changed the Sabbath to Sunday. Where in the Bible do we find one single legitimate scripture stating the Sabbath is changed to Sunday?
What is it about the Sabbath Commandment truth that meets with so much opposition? Why are there tens of thousands of Churches that observe the Seventh day Sabbath? Did you know that there are now more than five hundred denominations that keep the Seventh Day Sabbath? America are about to hold their third Ten Commandments Commission day now in 2008, and because of this yearly event, many Churches started doing studies on the Ten Commandments between the first and second Ten Commandment days, which resulted in another 100 different denominations switching back to the Seventh Day Sabbath. What is it that they found that made them change back to the Seventh day Sabbath? There are hundreds of excuses floating around to choose from as to why the Seventh Day Sabbath is no longer relevant - or is it? In the Bible we find that there are over 40 verses from Paul alone as to why circumcision is not done anymore. How important are the Ten Bible Commandments in comparison to circumcision? If Paul says that the Ten Commandments are what matters and Circumcision is nothing, and we have more than 40 verses and up to 10 verses at a time explaining that Circumcision of the flesh is not relevant anymore, then how many scriptures should we expect to have telling us that the Sabbath is changed to Sunday.
1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the Commandments of God. For Discussion...
The question at the top of this thread is as fascinating and grave as “How Do I Change my Tagline?”
The transfer of the dignity of the sabbath from the seventh day to the Lord’s Day was done by the Holy Apostles. The Synaxarion for Pascha read at the Orthros of Pascha in every Orthodox Church in the world testifies to this.
The matter is also address by St. Justin the Philosopher (titled Justin Martyr by Western Christians) in whose Apology, written in the middle of the second century, the gathering of Christians on the morning of the first day of the week is described.
Likewise the Didache, a document attested in numerous patristic writings, a second century manuscript of which was discovered in the library of the Patriarchate of Constantinple late in the 19th century, whose author subtitled it “The teachings of the Holy Apostles” bids Christians gather for worship on ‘The Lord’s Day’, that is Kyriakie in Greek, the day of the week called ‘Sunday’ in English.
Anyone who tells you that the transfer has something to do with St. Constantine, or Roman sunworship, is either lying, misinformed, or confused—the English name of the day ‘Sunday’ is , indeed, a pagan name, but the practice of worshipping on that day dates to when most Christians spoke Greek, and Greek speaking Christians had renamed the day ‘Kyriakie’, the Lord’s Day, which is its name in Greek to this day—as the patristic testimonies I cite show that the Christian practice of worshipping on Sunday dates to the period of the pagan persecutions, at least.
Well.....I don't look to the Early Church Fathers for divinely inspired writings. I do consider most of what they wrote as valid history....but always consider it to be humanly inspired. therefore.....much of what they have written is biased to a degree.....or simply wrong.
If you read the Greek or a Literal translation you will uncover much of this bias. I believe that Sunday worship was inspired by Simon Magus and even Justin calls his followers (Simon's) Christians. [Chapter XXVI First Apology] It was natural that they would choose Sunday as their day of worship as Simon was descended from Babylonian Sun Worshipers.
So....it is historical fact that there were folks in Rome during the first and second centuries....followers of Simon Magus' teaching.... calling themselves Christians and observing Sunday as their day of worship. It is not strange therefore to wonder why certain factions did not continue honoring the Sabbath. After all, Rome was the center of the universe.....in those days.
“but you went downhill very quickly. I’ve been courteous and respectful (though I may have come close to crossing that line) to you.”
Riight...
My reaction to you just came out of the blue...
POT KETTLE BLACK
Show me where you think I wronged you.
“If you want to ask questions or debate I don’t mind, but I don’t think I’m going to answer as long as they’re couched in sarcasm and/or insults.”
And once again my original question contains nothing of what you describe above.
And once again I have to ask why you are distorting what I asked.
My original question which was polite and is given below.
“You really didnt answer his question since presumably there would more than the ten commandments that are being talked about. There are many laws, such as the dietary laws, that are not part of the ten commandments”
Why are you having so much trouble in being honest?
You’re kidding right?
I keep giving examples but you ignore them and continue distorting my replies or acting as though I haven’t given examples.
This isn’t rocket science guy.
They observed the Lord's Supper on a Sunday.
Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.
1 Corinthians 16:1-2
They took up collections at the Church at Corinth on Sunday.
On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit
Rev 1:10
If you want to observe the legalistic Old Testament requirements of Judaism then you should be observing the dietary laws etc.
This link gives some of the early church references to Sunday being the day Christians worship: http://www.bible.ca/7-lords-day.htm
The law that applied to the Jews.
“What do I know, I’m Jewish anyway.”
ROTFLMBO!
If He didn’t care which, why did He specify which one? Why put “remember the SEVENTH DAY” in the middle of the 10 Commandments? The 7th day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.
I’m not, I just keep the Sabbath that the Lord chose, instead of what man chose.
Baptism is to commemorate the resurrection.
the Sabbath is a memorial to Creation.
Sigh. I don't have trouble being honest and I'm sorry you think that way.
All laws are part of the ten commandments. The dietary laws would fall under the general heading of the 1st commandment and the 5th commandment. The first commandment because ignoring the Lord's scriptural instruction is believing other philosophies over the Lord's. The 5th commandment being that as God is my father I'm disobeying his wishes, not honoring his wishes.
See post 62 for more explanation.
I hope it helps...
Nothing like substituting your own will for God’s.
Which law would that be pertaining to the sabbath and where can I find it in scripture?
Exactly. God chose one day, Man chose another. That’s the whole point! Thank you.
No, not at all, there is a Sabbath day, identified as the 7th day in the weekly cycle.
I guess we can choose whether to break the other 9 Commandments then???
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