Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 08/19/2008 7:34:48 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: Alex Murphy
"The average senior pastor in U.S. churches today makes more than $80,000 a year, a recent national survey shows. "

Odd isn't it, that it isn't above most Pastor's pay grade to tell you when life begins.

2 posted on 08/19/2008 7:37:43 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy

poverty, chastit — oh, wait, nevermind.


3 posted on 08/19/2008 7:38:41 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy

bump


4 posted on 08/19/2008 7:39:59 PM PDT by VOA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy

The “compensation” includes, usually, the whole package: housing, utilities, *insurance-health and life, sometimes a car, and use of a cell phone, *retirement benefits, etc. However, when added all up it is still quite a bit less than a UAW worker receives with all HIS/HER compensation.

Their jobs are only as stable as those of their congregations.

*Denominations try to get group insurance for the health and retirement.


5 posted on 08/19/2008 7:42:46 PM PDT by madison10 (Are you ready for the Democrat Polimpics!?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy
My current a last pastor both have a PhD. Most preachers have at least a masters. How do they compare with others of similar training.
6 posted on 08/19/2008 7:42:52 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (Orationem pulchram non habens, scribo ista linea in lingua Latina.***)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy

Need to find one of those great paying full-time secretary jobs. ;) IMO, the article is about the exceptions, not the rules.


7 posted on 08/19/2008 7:44:18 PM PDT by madison10 (Are you ready for the Democrat Polimpics!?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy
Church Pastors' Pay Rises to More than $80,000

Members of Congress ($169,300) make more than twice that earned by pastors. This proves that the devil pays better than the church.

8 posted on 08/19/2008 7:46:56 PM PDT by catpuppy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy

Yeah, but they have to work on Sundays......


9 posted on 08/19/2008 7:48:35 PM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd - The Axis of Ugly)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy

That doesn’t sound to bad for a job where you don’t have to worry about your mistakes since they were probably going to go to hell anyway .


11 posted on 08/19/2008 7:56:21 PM PDT by kbennkc (What passes for optimism is most often an intellectual error)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy
And that is why I choose to home church. Ever place I have gone its the same. Sing for the plate, pray about the empty plate, sing some more why the plate is passed around and finally pray cause the plate has something in it. After that church is half over unless they have a building fund or missionary fund for some people I have never seen before or the preachers house needs a new roof or the plate has been a little lite lately then 75% of the worship time is spent on fund-raising. 80K when the average person in the congregation makes 40K - that a little excessive but if thats what the congregation wants more power to them. How much do they spend on the orphans and widows?

Yes - I am being a little sarcastic but not too much.

15 posted on 08/19/2008 8:28:10 PM PDT by Free_in_Alabama
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy

I see nothing wrong with this salary. When you consider most pastors are are on call 24/7, this really adds up to nothing in light of the hours they put in. Our pastor also holds a full time job during the week working at his business as a commercial landscaper. Every first Sunday we have a pastor’s offering. He gets what is given to that offering, and that amount varies weekly from little of nothing to very generous depending upon who gives. No one is pressured, it’s not announced as a special offering, it’s just a day set aside to bless him for all he does. He gets a very small percentage of the offerings on the other Sundays. This is one thing the advisory board insisted upon. He was offered a salary, and it was approved by our advisory board, but he refused stating he would rather the money go to “kingdom work” instead. My grandfather was a pastor for 30 years and never took more than 600.00 a month as a salary. He made his living as a painter. Even when he drew Social Security he refused anything more. My grandfather was available to his congregants 24/7 as is my current pastor. One thing I admire about our Pastor is that he is very open about church finances. Anyone at anytime can request to see how much we take in and where it goes.


19 posted on 08/19/2008 9:05:26 PM PDT by PleaseNoMore
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy
Considering they work pretty close to 24/7 its not much.
21 posted on 08/19/2008 9:12:29 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy

Does anyone here think that $80,000 is a high salary?

Couldn’t buy much of a house in the coastal states on it.


24 posted on 08/19/2008 9:21:02 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy
[img]http://politicalpartypoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/bill-clinton-pimp.jpg[/img]
Can I get an AMEN!
31 posted on 08/19/2008 9:37:23 PM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy

Yes and their home is paid for also.


42 posted on 08/20/2008 3:07:19 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy

Not much when y0ou consider its 7 days a weeks 24 hours a day on call and he throws in the wife for all the “pastors wife” functions.


43 posted on 08/20/2008 3:09:39 AM PDT by DainBramage
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy; P-Marlowe; Gamecock; svcw; enat; uptoolate

In my Methodist denomination, minimum pay is set by the geographic region that we call an “annual conference.” In our conference, and we’re not that unusual, the minimum pay for an ordained elder is right under $34,000 a year. That generally has a parsonage with utilities ($3500), health care ($15,000),travel ($5000), and retirement ($4,000) on top of that for a total package in the neighborhood of $55-60,000.

“Giving households” is a better measure of church giving than is attendance. One should probably divide attendance by about 4 to get at the number of households. Some of those might be visitors, inquirers, etc., so not all would be “giving households.” A church of 200 attendance, for example, should have about 50 giving households. If the average wage in our region is $35,000 a year, then one should expect less than 175,000 a year in church giving, since so many people do not tithe on gross income or do not tithe at all.

When one adds on any loan expense for church buildings, expenses for maintenance, utilities, fees, services, etc., then that would leave in the neighborhood of 60 or 70 thousand to run programs with.

Obviously, if one adds a youth pastor, praise & worship director, etc., then that 60-70 goes immediately out the window.

I’d say that the 80,000 mentioned in this article is high for our area, but since it is in terms of total package, it isn’t that high an income.


46 posted on 08/20/2008 5:39:47 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy

If every Christian Gave God back what is rightfully His
(10%)

Pastors would never even have to blink and eye about thier salary.

But alas most Christians don’t tithe so the issue remains


49 posted on 08/20/2008 7:27:47 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (Courage is not the lack of fear it is acting in spite of it<><)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Alex Murphy

If you do not tithe he calls you a Robber (thief) see Malichi.

And don’t try to tell me that that was Old Testament vs New Testament.

Christ came to fulfill the law of the Old Testament not to do away with it.

And just saying “bullbutter” shows you are very immature in this matter.


61 posted on 08/20/2008 12:32:08 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (Courage is not the lack of fear it is acting in spite of it<><)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson