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To: sevenbak; Zakeet; colorcountry
sharing incredibly insightful information about the very real, fallible, human being that Joseph Smith was, as all prophets throughout time have been.

Zakeet, evidence here of your comment in post #20..."I believe the bottom line conclusion of the article is absolutely correct: The LDS Church can no longer lie and deny the truth -- they are therefore anxiously, urgently seeking another solution."

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Very interesting how the hero of the hymn

PRAISE TO THE MAN

 

1844 version

Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Chorus:
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assassins,
Stain Illinois while the earth lauds his fame.

Chorus

Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Chorus

Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know "Brother Joseph" again.

Chorus

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  has now become "the very real, fallible, human being".

Side note: The "mormon web-cleaner" has been at work on this hymn. It's not as easy to find as it was a short time ago. I have it archived now.

95 posted on 08/17/2008 2:14:31 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (1992...how many folks had heard of Bill Clinton? John McCain, Eric Cantor for your VP pick!)
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To: sevenbak; greyfoxx39

Retrieved from “http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Praise_to_the_Man";

has now become “the very real, fallible, human being”.

Side note: The “mormon web-cleaner” has been at work on this hymn. It’s not as easy to find as it was a short time ago. I have it archived now.

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Same words are in my hymnal!

http://www.lds.org/churchmusic/detailmusicPlayer/index.html?searchlanguage=1&searchcollection=1&searchseqstart=27&searchsubseqstart=%20&searchseqend=27&searchsubseqend=ZZZ


104 posted on 08/17/2008 2:27:36 PM PDT by restornu (Here comes that feeling again my heart still yearn for what my mind wonÂ’t accept Investigator)
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To: greyfoxx39
Ok (sigh) what problem do you have with this hymn specifically. I already know how you feel about it. Anything scripturally in error to your eyes?
111 posted on 08/17/2008 2:34:26 PM PDT by DanielLongo
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To: greyfoxx39
This is actually a really good hymn to cite relative to the article this post is base on. It was written by WW Phelps who had become disaffected from the Prophet and the Church later to return. His sentiments, shared by many, are the result of his abiding love for the man and his testimony of the truthfulness of the work the Lord did through him.

A tender story from Church history illustrates the power of a forgiving heart. William W. Phelps joined the Church during the Kirtland era and became a devoted follower of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He was called to be a member of the stake presidency in Jackson County, Missouri. Later, as a result of some financial improprieties and an unrepentant heart, Brother Phelps left the Church. He became bitter and declared himself an enemy to the Prophet. His defection occurred during a time of intense persecution when the Prophet, along with many of the leading brethren, had been arrested and placed under military guard following the “extermination order” of Governor Lilburn W. Boggs of Missouri.

The Prophet’s life hung literally in the balance. In the midst of such turmoil, William W. Phelps came forth to serve as a state witness against the Prophet. Compounding his betrayal, Phelps also signed a certificate defending the actions of one of the Saints’ worst enemies.

As a result of such testimony from Phelps and others like him, the Prophet and several of the brethren were incarcerated in a series of Missouri prisons, including Liberty Jail, until April 1839, when they escaped and fled to Illinois. We can perhaps imagine the bitter disappointment the Prophet endured during the months of his imprisonment as he contemplated the betrayal of brethren he had loved and trusted.

Two years later, after great anguish and bitter remorse for his actions, Brother Phelps sent the Prophet a heartfelt letter that began:

“Brother Joseph, … I am as the prodigal son. … I have seen the folly of my way, and I tremble at the gulf I have passed.” He begged the forgiveness of the brethren and asked that even with severe chastisement he might return to them. 4

The Prophet’s almost immediate reply stands today as a worthy example of the power of forgiveness and of the great heart of the man Joseph Smith:

“Dear Brother Phelps: …

“You may in some measure realize what my feelings, as well as Elder Rigdon’s and Brother Hyrum’s were, when we read your letter—truly our hearts were melted into tenderness and compassion when we ascertained your resolves. …

“It is true, that we have suffered much in consequence of your behavior—the cup of gall, already full enough for mortals to drink, was indeed filled to overflowing when you turned against us. …

“However, the cup has been drunk, the will of our Father has been done, and we are yet alive, for which we thank the Lord. And having been delivered from the hands of wicked men by the mercy of our God, we say it is your privilege to be delivered from the powers of the adversary, be brought into the liberty of God’s dear children, and again take your stand among the Saints of the Most High, and by diligence, humility, and love unfeigned, commend yourself to our God, and your God, and to the Church of Jesus Christ.

“Believing your confession to be real, and your repentance genuine, I shall be happy once again to give you the right hand of fellowship, and rejoice over the returning prodigal. …

‘Come on, dear brother, since the war is past,

‘For friends at first, are friends again at last.’

“Yours as ever,

“Joseph Smith, Jun.” 5

116 posted on 08/17/2008 2:42:32 PM PDT by DanielLongo
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To: greyfoxx39
Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
 
Not according to the bible!
 
Hebrews 10
 
 1.  The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
 2.  If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins.
 3.  But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins,
 4.  because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
 5.  Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;
 6.  with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased.
 7.  Then I said, `Here I am--it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, O God.'"
 8.  First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them" (although the law required them to be made).
 9.  Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second.
 10.  And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

198 posted on 08/18/2008 4:22:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

So, besides “stain Illinois” what is the difference between that and the modern version? Or do you just like the fact that you found the 1844 version?


462 posted on 08/20/2008 9:18:42 PM PDT by sevenbak (Suffer me that I may speak; and after that I have spoken, mock on. - Job 21:3)
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