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http://lifeongoldplates.blogspot.com/2008/08/bushmans-introduction-to-joseph-smith.html ^ | August 14, 2008 | Richard Bushman

[Elsie]

Dang!

I thought DU was back ‘til I saw YOUR name! ;^)

[Elsie]

Those who oppose calling the Latter-day Saints “Christians” need to explain whether Peter and Paul are “Christians”...

No they don't.

MORMONs need to explain why they follow the teaching of two satanic messengers dressed as angels of light.

[ComeUpHigher]

Diversion is the stock and trade of the LDS? Is that why you didn’t provide any explanation to the scriptures in post #189. And your explanation of Genesis 1:26 stating “let us make man in our image” is the inference that it is referring to heavenly hosts? If your interpretation of Genesis 1:26 were accepted, then it would mean the heavenly hosts, and not God, made man. Sorry, doesn’t pass Biblical muster. The “us” in Genesis 1:26 isn’t referencing “heavenly hosts,” its referencing the Godhead.

[Elsie]

It is a shame the thread got locked down, as there was a great deal of work and research posted there.

No problem - the truth is timeless - we'll merely recycle it over and over to help those who have less knowledge about the LDS Organization®'s devious ways come up to speed.

[Elsie]

Can you show me that verbage & explanation in the Bible?

What good would it do?

You are merely a failful minion of the Organization®.

You probably wouldn't get it any more than Ol' Joe and the subseqeunt leaders got the ONE WIFE thing in the Bible and the BoM as well.

[svcw]

We have profound differences of opinion.
I wish you well and will pray for you daily.
However at this point in time it is pointless to continue this conversation between the two of us.
Below is what I believe to be true.
May the Lord reveal Himself to you.

In the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments in their original writing as fully inspired by God, and accepts them as the full and final authority for faith and life.
In one God eternally existing in three persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
That the Lord Jesus Christ was begotten by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, and is true God and true Man.
That God created man in His image; that man sinned and thereby incurred the penalty of death, physical and spiritual, and that all human beings inherit a sinful nature which issues in actual transgression involving personal guilt.
That the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, a substitutionary sacrifice, according to the Scriptures, and that all who believe and trust in Him are justified on the grounds of His shed blood.
In the bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, His ascension into heaven, and His present life as our High Priest and Advocate.
In the personal return of the Lord Jesus Christ.
In the personality of the Holy Spirit, His regenerating work, and abiding presence in the true believer. That the Holy Spirit indwells all true believers and that He has been sent to be the Comforter and Empowerer of the Christian Church, to produce the fruit of the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the Holy Spirit according to the Scriptures.
That all who repent of their sin and receive the Lord Jesus Christ by faith are born again of the Holy Spirit and thereby become children of God.
That all Christians are called to a life of holiness, devotion to the Lord Jesus Christ and service to Him.
In the resurrection both of the just and the unjust, the eternal blessedness of the redeemed, and the eternal banishment from God of those who have rejected the offer of salvation.
That the whole company of those who have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour have been redeemed by Him and regenerated by the Holy Spirit and form the one true Church, and that each local church on earth should take its character from this concept. Therefore, the new birth and personal confession of faith in Christ are essentials of Church membership.
In the priesthood of all believers in Jesus Christ.
That the ascended Christ has given various ministries or ministers to the Church in order to bring all believers to the place of Christian maturity in the understanding of truth, and the performance and function of the ministry (Ephesians 4:11; Romans 12:4-8 and 1 Corinthians 12:10 ff.).
That the healing of the sick in the name of Jesus Christ is still active in the Church (Mark 16:16-18; Matthew 8:16-17; 1 Corinthians 12:9; James 5:14-15).
That God never removed the gifts of the Holy Spirit from the Church, and that the Scriptural commands to “seek earnestly the best gifts”, and to “forbid not to speak in tongues”, are still applicable today (1 Corinthians 12,13 & 14:1-39).
That the miracles as recorded in the Bible were real miracles, and are possible in the present day (John 14:12 and 1 Corinthians 12:10).
That all believers are called to fulfill the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20).
That Christ is the Head of His body, the Church, and that in all things He has pre-eminence.

[ComeUpHigher]

Yawn. This is too easy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2044024/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2038427/posts

Oh, wait a minute. Presbyterianism still believes in the trinity so the fact that they have gay clergy and teach that fornication isn’t a sin doesn’t mean they aren’t part of the true church of Christ because, after all, the trinity is the only thing that matters to be a true Christian, right?

[Elsie]

 

John 1.14. "And the Word was made flesh*

 

*You left off the AGAIN part...

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19

 

 

17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

 

 

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You KNOW that the FATHER has a FLESH body too!

 

 

MormonDude(Why do I keep explaining all this?)

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[Elsie]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Welcome folks, to our daily session of Theological discussions about Mormonism: Is it Christian?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Feel free to enter the talks at any time.

 

If you get dizzy, feel free to leave at any point.

 

All points are valid;

and, all points will be discussed.

[Reno232]

First of all, I answered your questions in post 240. Not sure what is alluding you.

Second, let's do start in Genesis. Genesis 1:26 - "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth".

Genesis 11:7 - "Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.."

Who's US if they're one God? What I'm trying to understand is this SEEMING belief that the Lord is somewhat skitzophrenic. He talks to Himself, He prays to Himself, He commands Himself, & he Asks Himself for deliverance from the bitter cup in Gethsemane. At times He speaks in singular, & at times He speaks in plural.

Just think about this, if you were trying to teach someone in outer Mongolia who had never heard of Christ or His Gospel, this Trinity discussion we're having, don't you think he would laugh at the complexity & contradictions put forth by Orthodox Christianity? It makes no sense.

When Mary saw the Lord at the tomb, & He stated, "touch me not, for I have not ascended to my Father". Or when He told Mary to go to the brethren & tell them that was going to His Father & their Father, His God & their God, to what was He referring? Why not just say, tell the brethren, I go to Heaven, I'll be back to teach them tomorrow?

It just doesn't make sense. And the Gospel of Jesus Christ should make abundant sense. After years of searching throughout Christianity for sense, I finally found it in the LDS church. I thank the Lord every day for that. I witness that the Lord is our Savior.

[ComeUpHigher]

Well, at least we know those two messengers told the truth about Presbyterianism, don’t we Elsie?

[Elsie]

You are suppose to INHALE it; Dude!

[Elsie]

Sometimes...

...sometimes it ain’t!

[ejonesie22]

And you can't answer even simpler questions.

God made man, that is plain, so your obfuscation is unneeded. “Our image” is God, the Holy Spirit, and since God also made the heavenly hosts, their image was part of that as well. Every wonder why we resemble Angels in form.

No back to the question since you are on duty now, and I will simplify it as I did for Reno

Is there more than one God? yes or no

Is Jesus a Deity? yes or no

[colorcountry]

Yet you follow a prophet who had a personal experience with the dark side.

His prayer was interrupted by an encounter with an evil spirit. According to an account from his diary, Smith stopped praying because his tongue became swollen in his mouth and because he heard a noise behind him like someone walking towards him. He tried to pray once more, and when he heard the noise grow louder, he sprang to his feet and looked around but saw no one. The third time he knelt to pray, his tongue was loosed and he received the vision.[44] In a later description of his encounter with the evil spirit, Smith said that when he first began to pray, he was immediately overcome by an evil “being from the unseen world” whose power was greater than that of any being he had previously felt.[45] The spirit bound his tongue and covered him with a thick darkness, and he thought he would be destroyed.[46] Nevertheless, at his darkest moment, he summoned all his power to pray, and, as he felt ready to sink into oblivion, the vision rescued him.[47]

Since Satan can masquerade as and angel of light, how do we know the evil thick darkness left Joseph Smith during his hallucination? I don’t think it did, I think it fooled JS and you.

[ejonesie22]

No you did not, at best you made an attempt on the Jesus part, but not an answer.

So again, and I am not going to even read this post further, answer the basic question. Just a yes or no. You are smart, this is a no brainer.

Is there more than one God? yes or no

Is Jesus a Deity? yes or no

[ejonesie22]

Someone is inhaling something, but it ain't us...

[ComeUpHigher]

Sorry, no bait and switch. Explain the scriptures in post #189.

[ComeUpHigher]

No, it was God the Father and Christ that appeared to Joseph Smith. I have had that confirmed to me by a witness from the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Truth.

However, as for you, the fact that Presbyterianism still believes in the trinity despite having gay clergy and teaching that fornication isn’t a sin doesn’t mean they aren’t part of the true church of Christ because, after all, the trinity is the only thing that matters to be a true Christian, right?

[ejonesie22]

That is what I though. I answered you, and in the post you just responded to as well as others.

but you can’t answer me. I know, it would mess up the whole “becoming god” bit.

That is all I need to know. Maybe Reno will do better. The questions are very simple and the possible answers I already provided.