You wrote:
“I apologized.”
Yes, you did. Thank you. That was very good of you.
“So where’s the forgiveness of the “true church” otherwise known as the catholic church?”
Is this your bizarre way of asking me to apologize? I was not the one who said someone was certifiable, said all sorts of bizarre things (can’t say more because the RM will be mad), or falsely claimed you said things you never said. That was you. I was at times harsh on you - and at times I could most definitely have shown more forbearance and more charity. For not more often showing that charity I am sorry.
“Where are the fruits of the Spirit? You have heard of them, haven’t you?”
Yes.
“Jesus told us in order to be forgiven we have to forgive others, but I guess it doesn’t apply to catholics.”
I could have had more forebearance with you, but I ceratinly was not as way off base as you were.
Again, look at your posts. Your comments about me and the about the Church were outrageous. I only told the truth throughout based about what you wrote.
Feelings seem to dominate your life. You wrote (and this is only a partial sampling from earlier on):
“You are certifiable. I definitely don’t ever want to darken the doors of any Catholic church. False conclusions and opinions are what church doctrines are all about.”
“Honey, the Catholic church is the last place I want to be, especially if you’re there.”
“You don’t like Bible believing Protestants?”
“Do you have anything nice to say about any “bible believing” non- catholics?”
“You are now starting to scare me.”
“Now I know, firsthand, why people critize the Catholics. Your religion ranks right up there with Mormonism.....pssst, that wasn’t a compliment. Anyway, take care and God bless.”
“They condemn pedophilia? Right.”
“I just had an epiphany. I now know why you think I need the Catholic church, more money to pay for all those lawsuits you’ve got going from all those pedophiles.”
“Just ask Lucifer.”
“Why do pompous people like you, have to take something simple like salvation and complicate it?”
“You are making it sound like one has to jump hurdles and shoot out of a cannon to share in God’s inheritance.”
“SHAME ON YOU!!!!!”
“Lighten up for pity sake.”
“As far as being a “lone ranger”, I read the Bible everyday and have not let dogmas get in the way of understanding God’s Word.”
“Being Catholic is an organized religion, christians are followers of Christ, not a religion.”
“How do you justify all the pedophilia in the Catholic Church, much less the homosexuality?”
“What are you? A Pharisee?”
How is someone supposed to deal with that sort of posting? I kept posting verses and arguments. You kept posting your beliefs but often with no evidence and no arguments to speak of.
And here’s an example of how you didn’t post. You once asked:
“Quote the scripture that says baptism washes away sin, please.”
I posted a verse, and later another. Response? They were never dealt with. I may be harsh, but if I said anything to you it was either absoultely true or all the evidence pointed towards it being true.
“Go back through the posts and look at YOUR comments and you will find that alot of what I said is true.”
I did. And you aren’t.
“I actually did because I thought “hmm, maybe he’s right” and then I would have to apologize again. I’m not apologizing. I wasn’t wrong, you were.”
Apologize. Don’t apologize. Apologize. Take back your apology. Stick to something!
“It’s equally offensive to me when you tell me I make christianity up as I go.”
The truth is often offensive. Were you offended that I just pointed out that you apologized and then took back your apology? Do you think you could make it any easier looking like you can’t stick to something? Again, the truth is often offensive. You asked for verses on baptism washing away sins. I provided them. What did you do with them? Anything? Did you even look them up? You admitted yourself that you just read your Bible and YOU measure everything against it - and that REALLY MEANS you are making up Christianity as you go along. Christianity exists OUTSIDE of you. It is an absolute because it comes from God. You are really relying on your feelings. You FEEL this verse means that, and that verse means this. Who are you to decide? Also, you can’t even use the argument that you’re guided by the Holy Spirit because how is it that your interpretation is so starkly different than that of millions of others who also claim the guidance of the Holy Spirit and yet come to different conclusions. There’s only ONE Holy Spirit. He is NOT the Father of Confusion. How do you know you’re right? Based on what? Your feelings? You’ll deny that that’s what you rely on, but that’s what you rely on.
“I’ve had people call me “dumb” and “bigot” and “stupid”, so what?”
I never called you dumb. I never called you a bigot. I never called you stupid. I said, repeatedly, that you were wrong and demonstrated, repeatedly, that that was the case.
“They also didn’t get reamed by the mod either.”
You didn’t either - unless it was in private. You got a warning, a mild chastisement. I too have accrued the wrath of the RM.
“But my faith is extremely important to me, for you to tell me I make it up, it’s very offensive. And why do you tell me that? Because I’m not catholic? That’s just wrong.”
No. I don’t tell you that because you’re not Catholic. If you were Eastern Orthodox I would never have said that to you. But as a Protestant, who admits she relies only on HERSELF (see above for why I say the Holy Spirit isn’t doing this), there is no other possible conclusion - you’re making up your Christianity. You are your own church, really your own sect.
Again, revisit the issue of birth control which you sidestepped earlier and tried to turn into another issue. Christians - ALL CHRISTIANS - believed brith control to be immoral. Until the 1930s not a single Christian church or sect in the world, THE ENTIRE WORLD, approved of birth control. Every Protestant I ever met all approved of birth control. I know there are some who don’t. Hence, the organization of Protestants Against Birth Control. There are now other orgs like it too: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/nov/06111605.html
How does being a lone ranger solve this dilemma of “to contracept” or “not contracept” for millions of Protestants?
It doesn’t.
Read my words. I might have to apologize AGAIN. “Again”, being the operative word. Then I went on to say that I didn’t have to apologize, after I checked the posts. I obviously have a life, therefore I can’t possibly find the time to (like you),post everything you said that you said you didn’t say, but you did. Wow, that sounded like something you would say. Maybe I’ll bother after I vacuum, do up the dishes, put a load into wash and do some filing. I’ve been reading a very enlightening article by a catholic, who says the catholic church is not “the church”, and the most ironic part about it is he’s using their own documents to refute it. Now that’s a hoot.
I never said that I relied on myself. Do you read all the words in posts, or do you skim over and post prematurely? I don’t rely on organized religion to feed me spiritual food. I rely on the Bible. That’s hardly relying on myself. You know, God’s Word, the Bible, which we are supposed read in obedience to Him. How else are we to know how to conduct ourselves or find comfort? Apparently, after “debating” with you, I think God is trying to humble me, and I need to be more receptive to Him, and less reactive with you. YOu don’t think anything you said was offensive because you claim it’s the truth. The truth according to who? You? The catholic church? I am not subject to your churches teachings or rules.
If I were to get into a discussion with say, a Methodist. We may disagree with something petty that pertains to church doctrine, but we won’t argue salvation. Yet, you did, you insinuated anyone who isn’t catholic is not a true believer. In the long haul we have a common denominator....a belief in Christ as our Savior. Why don’t we just rejoice in the fact that what matters most we agree on, and that’s salvation in Christ. Don’t sweat the other stuff, God can sort it out.
You weren’t as way off base as I? I will repeat myself, my faith is very important to me, and for you to call it into question was equally offensive to me. And don’t tell me you did’nt, you did.
I wasn’t looking for an apology from you. You started again listing all the things I said to you, after I apologized. When someone tells you they are sorry, and you accept it, you don’t keep bringing it up again, because then it appears you haven’t forgiven them. And if I go by your posting you didn’t. I can assume, just like you.
You told the truth, I told the truth.
I had’nt looked at your full post until now. I’ll I can say is....wow. I definitely don’t have enought time in my day to pursue this right now, but you can be sure I will work on it.
I will admit, I do get a little passionate about what I believe, but the true message of salvation should be most important, and it is for me. Have you noticed that most of the strife in the world is religiously motivated? Let me clarify, organized religion, which is manmade. Maybe, we all, as christians, need to get back to the basics.