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To: saltnlemons; Marysecretary
the only way to complete salvation is to be baptized?

Baptism does not "complete" salvation, unless it immediately precedes death. You complete your salvation by your works and then you are judged by them when you die. Baptism, however, brings you into the Church and so you journey as a Christian begins toward the eternal life after you die.

He that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved (Mt 10:22)

[God] will render to every man according to his works. To them indeed, who according to patience in good work, seek glory and honour and incorruption, eternal life (Rm 2:6-7)


267 posted on 08/13/2008 3:04:07 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

seems like the Roman Catholic church is all about rules and regs...but nary a word about the Grace of God...which brings us to salvation. If your heart is right you will do the works..if not,you’ll be turned away at the Gates!


271 posted on 08/13/2008 3:09:40 PM PDT by saltnlemons (Shell's Dad!)
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To: annalex

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

I don’t see where it say you have to be baptized in order to be saved.

I read Matt 10:22 to be “All men will hate you because of Me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”

It just means to stay faithful. You by no means earn your salvation! I think anyone who believes they have to work for their salvation, grieves the Holy Spirit. If you have to work for it, why did Christ die on the Cross? You are leaving Christ on that cross in perpetuity when you believe you have to earn it. Look up grace. Forget that, I’ll tell you. Grace is God’s unmerited favor. And unmerited means unearned.

Eph 2:8,9 “For it is by GRACE you have been saved, through FAITH—AND THIS IS NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of God—NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast.”

Romans 2:6,7 Paul is talking to the church about getting along. We, as christians, do good works, it’s part of the fruits of the spirit. But our salvation is NOT based on our good works, and for good reason too. Because we will never be good enough.

Rom 3:23 “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”.

I thank God for being so merciful and loving.

Rom 5:8 “But God demonstrated His own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”


312 posted on 08/14/2008 12:18:42 AM PDT by Not just another dumb blonde
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