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Is Anti-Catholicism Dead? (Ques. Proposed by NY Times)
NY Times City Room Blog ^ | 7/23/2008 | Sewell Chan

Posted on 07/23/2008 2:47:21 PM PDT by Pyro7480

When Gov. Alfred E. Smith ran for president in 1928, his candidacy was derailed in large part by anti-Catholic prejudice. It has been nearly 48 years since John F. Kennedy became the first (and so far only) Roman Catholic president, but experts say that anti-Catholic sentiment — much of it originating in, or as a response to, immigrants in New York — remains an enduring force in American culture.

That was the consensus of a panel assembled at the Museum of the City of New York on Tuesday night to consider the question, “Is Anti-Catholicism Dead?

...The Rev. Richard John Neuhaus — a leading conservative intellectual, a former Lutheran pastor and the editor of the leading Catholic journal First Things — offered a surprising view on the question.

“To be a Catholic is not to be refused positions of influence in our society,” he said. “Indeed, one of the most acceptable things is to be a bad Catholic, and in the view of many people, the only good Catholic is a bad Catholic.”

...He added that anti-Catholicism was as likely to come from the left — sometimes from commentators who believe that a “threatening theological insurgency is engineered and directed by Catholics,” with evangelical Protestants merely as the movement’s “foot soldiers.”

(Excerpt) Read more at cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; anticatholicism; catholic; nytimes
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To: Always Right
Not answering the question asked, or, as we say in the legal biz, "the witness just showed you a pocket weasel."

Ms. Court Reporter, will you please read the question back for the witness?

Show me one Catholic on this forum who has consigned any poster to hell.

The posts you reference are not models of probity or charity in some instances, but they don't answer the question asked.

161 posted on 07/24/2008 6:04:44 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chase, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Actually thank you for making my point crystal clear. My post was not about a specific statement, my post was about the hypocrisy of those crying about being attacked while at the same time throwing out vicious attack. Your post could not have possibly been a better illustration.


162 posted on 07/24/2008 6:24:45 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Always Right

Yep, you’re missing something.


163 posted on 07/24/2008 6:29:43 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Always Right
No, that is not a "vicious attack" (good grief!).

You couldn't find the answer you wanted, so you answered a different question. Fair enough, but don't expect an absence of comment on that common debate stratagem.

You remain unable to find an example of any Catholic poster telling a Protestant (or any other denomination) poster that he or she is going to hell.

It just isn't done. We don't make decisions about who is heading for the Bad Place, there's only One who does that.

(Besides, who could dislike such a cute weasel (ferret)? Her name is Rita, and she doesn't look vicious to me at all!)

164 posted on 07/24/2008 6:34:02 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chase, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
You remain unable to find an example of any Catholic poster telling a Protestant (or any other denomination) poster that he or she is going to hell.

Well I have run across posts by Catholics saying if you don't believe in trinity you are headed straight to hell. But so far I have only seen quotes similar to above concerning salvation directed at Protestants, which does imply hell to Protestants. And I run across a lot tons of posts like 'Comment #2,263 Removed by Moderator' on these threads, so who knows what was said there. But I am a bit surprised it is difficult to find one more damaging, so perhaps I was wrong in my perception.

165 posted on 07/24/2008 7:04:56 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Mad Dawg

I was going to say that exact thing! (I wish I were so eloquent.)

Now, back to lurking!


166 posted on 07/24/2008 7:33:11 PM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: mockingbyrd

**I know Christians who won’t contribute to Crisis Pregnancy Centers when they have Catholics on the board.**

Doesn’t sound too ‘Christ-like’ to do something like that.


167 posted on 07/24/2008 7:48:58 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Always Right

Well, it always seems worse when you’re on the receiving end! :-D


168 posted on 07/24/2008 8:32:53 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chase, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Always Right
And I run across a lot tons of posts like 'Comment #2,263 Removed by Moderator' on these threads, so who knows what was said there.

The moderators read and discard unbelievably sickening posts before they ever hit the forum. And we also remove posts for good reasons ranging from A to Z.

On the Religion Forum, I remove hateful posts, tacky posts and posts which are very personal, including posts which condemn other Freepers personally.

But I do not remove posts for theological condemnations because evidently each time a belief spawns from a previous one, both condemn each other in the harshest terms they can muster.

In other words, it is standard fare in “open” religious debate – and even in official religious doctrines and documents – for one belief to designate another belief as apostate, a cult, heresy, anathema, idolatrous, infidel, sect, satanic, pagan, and blasphemous. It is the nature of “open” religious debate to flesh out the differences between beliefs and such terms come with the territory.

I do not doubt that, in the minds of some whose beliefs are on the receiving end, such terms can amount to a curse, even an eternal one. And I do not doubt that some take it personally. Thin-skinned RF posters should stay away from the “open” threads and stick with the “ecumenical” “caucus” “prayer” or “devotional” threads.

169 posted on 07/24/2008 10:37:18 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: mockingbyrd; Jaded

A couple of years ago, the assistant pastor of a large “Church of God” here announced that the church would no longer support the homeless shelter or the food bank because Catholics participated. To their credit, the congregation told him to shut up - maybe he was a goofball, but they weren’t.


170 posted on 07/25/2008 5:07:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. Support your local reptile vet!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I have to remember that pocket weasel for the “science” poster.


171 posted on 07/25/2008 5:08:43 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. Support your local reptile vet!)
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To: Tax-chick
I can't help thinking that ferrets are attractive little critters.

They DO smell bad, but they're so alert and inquisitive and friendly. Kind of like Siamese cats on speed. . . .

172 posted on 07/25/2008 5:18:05 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chase, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I’ve known people who kept ferrets. They do have the worst qualities of cats, though, and then some!


173 posted on 07/25/2008 5:38:30 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. Support your local reptile vet!)
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To: Tax-chick
I think they're cute if kept by a gamekeeper in a cottage far, FAR away from my house!

They are very rough on rabbits though.

Our rabbits around here are pretty stupid. They come hopping through the yard, and the Labs have hysterics. My cagey older Choc has actually caught two - she will edge along nonchalantly pretending not to see bunny until she gets within range and then pounce.

The young one just barks and bounds and scares them off. She'll learn though.

174 posted on 07/25/2008 5:46:13 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chase, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: pgkdan
Leave Barry Alone!!!!


175 posted on 07/25/2008 6:49:17 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Always Right

What’s your point. I challenged you to defend an unfounded claim that you made and you replied with that stupid picture?


176 posted on 07/25/2008 7:12:14 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: pgkdan

sorry, wrong thread. Had too many tabs open and chose the wrong one.


177 posted on 07/25/2008 7:21:10 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Always Right

OK...


178 posted on 07/25/2008 7:38:20 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Always Right

LOL. I dunno...in a bizarre way I kinda like that that pic.


179 posted on 07/25/2008 7:40:57 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: Mad Dawg

Most excellent!


180 posted on 07/25/2008 8:09:49 AM PDT by Jaded (Does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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