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To: Elsie
FIRST VISION:VARIOUS VERSIONS OF VISIONS

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By using your standards with The First Vision, you have just proven that Paul's First Vision is false because he did not repeat it the same every time he told it.

By your standards, Paul is a false disciple.

Your standards say, the Bible is false, by your standard.

You do think it is fair that you live by the same standards you say we should, don't you?

130 posted on 07/22/2008 10:45:33 AM PDT by fproy2222 (Jesus is the Christ)
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To: fproy2222; Elsie
By using your standards with The First Vision, you have just proven that Paul's First Vision is false because he did not repeat it the same every time he told it. By your standards, Paul is a false disciple. Your standards say, the Bible is false, by your standard. You do think it is fair that you live by the same standards you say we should, don't you?

Real simple concept here F - that of contradictions and not just different versions. Contradictions are something that has aspects that are illogical or inconsistent with each other or a statement, or the making of a statement, that opposes or disagrees with somebody or something.

In the case of the 1st vision you have joseph smith's word that he was multiple ages when it occured, was it in the woods or his bedroom, who appeared, how many appeared, the year it occured. In each of these different categories smith contradicts himself - it could only happen in either 1820 or 1823 - not both. It could only have happened in the woods or the bedroom - it is impossible for a first vision to occur in both locations, etc. Paul's account of his encounter with Christ does not contain contradictions as smith's account does. So by that standard smith is a false prophet while Paul's testamony stands the test. Since smith lied about the whole vision thing, he probably lied about a lot of other things too.

137 posted on 07/22/2008 11:59:28 AM PDT by Godzilla (The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.)
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To: fproy2222
Your standards say, the Bible is false, by your standard.

Go ahead - try to tear down the Bible so your founder's tales sound better.

155 posted on 07/22/2008 1:45:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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