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Atheoligical Tendency ~Open~
One Living Truth Ministries ^ | Oct 2006 | Ministry news letter

Posted on 07/20/2008 9:36:13 PM PDT by Graybeard58

Mormons focus on accessible, social aspects of their religion. Although the Mormon system of doctrine is genuinely attractive to many of its members, many have argued that the primary "glue" of Mormonism is the heritage, culture, and family ties, not the doctrine and theology.

In other words, the typical allegiance to the Mormon organization primarily stems from something other than doctrinal concerns. The average Mormon sitting in a pew does not care how or why their religion works, they only care that it works for them.

They are not concerned with the real character of Joseph Smith or how the LDS scriptures coincide with biblical teachings. A common element often overlooked when Christians share their faith with Latter-day Saints is that many Mormons are not Mormon merely for doctrinal reasons. This view of not being concerned with theology is considered to be atheological. If a person does not care about their theology, they miss the importance of rooting their entire life in the true knowledge of God and a coherent, rational, theological worldview.

A person's relationship with God is built on the foundation of what one believes about God and what it means to be right with God. This is the most important determining factor in shaping the way a person lives.

An atheological person does not seriously reflect on their own foundational worldview assumptions (e.g., what is truth, who is God, does this matter?), nor do they see how doing so would be relevant to everyday life.

South Park, a fictional, satirical cartoon, depicted a Mormon named "Gary" with the following words:

"Look, maybe us Mormons do believe in crazy stories that make absolutely no sense. And maybe Joseph Smith did make it all up. But I have a great life and a great family and I have the Book of Mormon to thank for that. The truth is, I don’t care if Joseph Smith made it all up. Because what the church teaches now is loving your family, being nice and helping people. And even though people in this town might think that’s stupid, I still choose to believe in it."

Grey Echols, a Mormon, writes the following in a review of By His Own Hand Upon Papyrus:

"This is a well written book which manages to not push an 'anti-Mormon' agenda. However as an LDS I do not think others should read it. Why? Because it could destroy your faith in the church. I am not trying to be clever. If you enjoy all of the good things the church has brought into your life, do you care where it came from?

No other church has so short a history that it can be examined so closely by science. Otherwise we would find that they are all created on the backs of con-artist. I am willing to bet every religion was founded by a fraud. So who cares. Does religion bring us together? Does it bond a nation, a town, a family? If so then let it be.

The truth is fleeting, and life is short. If believing in Santa makes children smile then believing in God makes adults smile. When children find out Santa isn't real, you kill a certain spark you can never get back. When you expose a church as a fraud, you kill a little spark in all of us."


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To: ejonesie22
I see my post was removed, must have pulled an abuse, despite the fact I referenced no individual.

What did you saY?

(They haven't yanked PRIVATE stuff - AFAIK - yet)

301 posted on 07/23/2008 11:50:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Well if I say it again...


302 posted on 07/23/2008 11:51:34 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: MHGinTN
Nothin’ like being beat ‘round the head with your own words...
303 posted on 07/23/2008 11:52:20 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: greyfoxx39
What are you going to do when you are in outer darkness and you look up to see Joseph Smith's face shining brighter than the noonday sun?

Ask him he'd like me to dip my finger into some water for him?

304 posted on 07/23/2008 11:52:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fproy2222
What contractions can you find in the first hand accounts written by Joseph Smith?

"How do I love thee?"
by Elizabeth Barrett Browning (1806-1861)

305 posted on 07/23/2008 11:54:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fproy2222
I saw it to, and I know some dumb bishops, but this guy was so dumb he could not have been a bishop.

What ARE the requirements?

306 posted on 07/23/2008 11:56:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fproy2222
I saw it to, and I know some dumb bishops, but this guy was so dumb he could not have been a bishop.

YOUR bishop will now call on you; for you KNOW that you are not allowed to criticize those over you in the Organization®.

307 posted on 07/23/2008 11:57:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Never freelance and never get off script...


308 posted on 07/23/2008 11:58:22 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: ejonesie22
After all there are Pagans and Wiccans amongst us as well...

Yeah. We got a REALLY bright one just up the road from me in Lebanon, IN.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rls=HPIC,HPIC:2005-18,HPIC:en&q=wiccan+stab+foot

309 posted on 07/23/2008 11:58:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22
Your post was pulled because of the language. Do not use potty language on the Religion Forum.

No one made an abuse report.

310 posted on 07/23/2008 11:59:55 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Elsie

Yeah you showed that to me yesterday...

LOL, priceless...

You think they could have cast a spell or something...


311 posted on 07/23/2008 12:00:01 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: ejonesie22

whiteout


312 posted on 07/23/2008 12:00:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Religion Moderator

Ok, not sure what that was, but ok...


313 posted on 07/23/2008 12:01:42 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Religion Moderator
Do not use potty language on the Religion Forum.

Can he re-post it without the bad word(s)?

314 posted on 07/23/2008 12:02:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I guess.


315 posted on 07/23/2008 12:03:10 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Elsie

Of course.


316 posted on 07/23/2008 12:06:28 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Elsie

Hey, that explains your tag line...

Darned to heck it is, though that will leave out some excellent sermons I have heard over the years...


317 posted on 07/23/2008 12:06:38 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Religion Moderator

I see it now, though I will admit to never thinking of that as potty language. Guess that comes from growing up in the fire and brimstone South.


318 posted on 07/23/2008 12:09:12 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Elsie

The moment is gone.


319 posted on 07/23/2008 12:10:11 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Spiff
"The Old Testament and the New Testament (KJV) are the foremost LDS scriptures. Other LDS scriptures support the teachings of the Bible. I believe the Holy Bible to be true as well as The Book of Mormon and other LDS scriptures to be true and the word of God."

Hey Spiff, you misquoted one of Joseph Smith's "articles of faith". He only believed the Bible to be the word of God "AS FAR AS IT IS TRANSLATED CORRECTLY".

Besides didn't you know that Joe Smith "retranslated" the KJV Bible ? It was such an obvious fraud that even the church heirarchy of the time suppressed it.

Many an LDS prophet has proclaimed the Book of Mormon to be the "Most accurate Book on the face of the Earth", and that "Where the Bible and Book of Mormon are in seeming disagreement to follow the words of the living Prohets, who have the power to see through translation errors."

Your statement that the LDS consider the KJV Bible to be the foremost body of LDS Scripture is an outright lie.

... thou seest the foundation of a great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away. And all this have they done that they might pervert the right ways of the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men. Wherefore, thou seeth that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God. ... because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceeding great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them (Book of Mormon, I Nephi 13:26-29).

320 posted on 07/23/2008 1:49:58 PM PDT by SENTINEL (By their works shall ye know them.....)
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