Posted on 07/08/2008 8:16:05 AM PDT by Gamecock
Sola Fide
Latin “faith alone”
The historic Protestant doctrine that the only instrumental cause of justification, from the human perspective, is faith. While God is the ultimate cause of justification, Protestants believe that faith in Christ through the message of the Gospel is necessary. There are no works, no matter how meritorious they may seem, that can add to justification (Eph. 2:8-9). This doctrine, according to Protestants, finds its roots in the teachings of Paul but was obscured in the middle ages and restored during the Reformation. Many Protestants would be quick to point out that it is not the doctrine itself that saves, but the reality that the doctrine represents. In other words, one is saved by faith alone, not by belief in the doctrine of faith alone. As well, most Protestants would say that “it is faith alone that saves, but the faith that saves will not be alone.” This doctrine represents a major point of distinction between Protestants and Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and, often, Eastern Orthodox.
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No again.
Bible says that Jesus is the Head of the Church. No man may take that role. The verse that some mistake as making Peter the first “pontiff” was an reference to building a Church based on the steadfast faith of Peter not on Peter.
I must have missed the part where the Bible dresses the head of the church in flowing robes and tall hats. Jesus wore a plain robe from the time period and never had more than that and walked everywhere He went or rode a donkey. He depended on the charity of others to live and never had more than He immediately needed.
I also missed the part where the Bible set-up a hierarchy of clergy more complex than a city government. My Bible says that Jesus is the head of the church and I answer to Him and only confess to Him and NO other. No body else can intercede for me and praying to other people is a sin. I gather as a Church body to worship Him and give strength to fellow believers or take encouragement when I need it and spread His Word.
I also missed the parts that said I have to follow rigid ceremonies and traditions outside of Baptism and Communion. My Bible says to pray without ceasing to God and not anyone one else no matter their status and to love everyone as I love Jesus. The Bible says not to pray with meaningless repetition.
I also read where I am saved by Grace alone and no works will help me to heaven only grant me rewards when I get there. Through His Grace am I saved and that makes me want to perform works to be more Christ like but it has no bearing on my salvation.
Yes, the Catholic Church.
No man may take that role.
Benedict XVI is Christ's Vicar.
The verse that some mistake as making Peter the first “pontiff” was an reference to building a Church based on the steadfast faith of Peter not on Peter.
Matthew 16:18 tells of Christ naming Simon as Cephas, "and upon this Rock I will build My Church."
I must have missed the part where the Bible dresses the head of the church in flowing robes and tall hats. Jesus wore a plain robe from the time period and never had more than that and walked everywhere He went or rode a donkey.
I must have missed the part where the Bible instructs us only to wear what Jesus wore, ride what Jesus rode.
No body else can intercede for me and praying to other people is a sin.
For you, whatever. But Catholics ask other Catholics to pray for them all the time. Pray means "ask." Christ overcame the power of death, which rules us no more.
I gather as a Church body to worship Him and give strength to fellow believers or take encouragement when I need it and spread His Word.
You agree with the Catholic Church.
Funny, I never read in the Bible the part that says to do only what is written in the Bible, especially since Christ founded for us the Catholic Church and left for it the continuing guidance of the Holy Spirit.
My Bible says to pray without ceasing to God and not anyone one else no matter their status...
Is that a quote?
...and to love everyone as I love Jesus.
You agree with the Catholic Church.
The Bible says not to pray with meaningless repetition.
So don't. Catholics don't.
I also read where I am saved by Grace alone and no works will help me to heaven only grant me rewards when I get there.
You have been deceived.
Through His Grace am I saved and that makes me want to perform works to be more Christ like but it has no bearing on my salvation.
You have been deceived.
I’ll start with perpetual virginity.
First, close kinsmen were often referred to as brothers. James the Just, the Brother of the Lord, has sometimes been identified with one of the apostles named James, James the son of Alphaeus (who apparently was also called Clopas, perhaps as a family name or resulting from the different languages and titles in the now multicultural Israel of Jesus’s time) whose wife was also named Mary and who was related to Mary, the Mother of Jesus. This Mary of Clopas was also present in Jerusalem during the Passion of Christ, 1 of 3 women named Mary (along with Magdalene and Jesus’s mother) who were mentioned in the Gospel accounts. This Mary is also seemingly identified as the mother of Joses and Salome, who were also identified as Jesus’s brothers.
Also, if Mary,Jesus’s mother, had other children, why would Jesus entrust her to John the Apostle before His death?
I am no expert on Mary, but the arguments put forth at least make some sense.
Some other traditions (and these can be found in some early non-canonical writings), dating back to early Christianity, make some of the people identified as “brothers of the Lord”, as children of Joseph, who was a widower before he wed Mary after the Annunciation.
Your faith and devotion to your Church is to be admired. In the end if we keep Christ as our focus we will be in the same place and both will be proved right and wrong about a great many things.
1 Thessalonians 5:17, Paul states — we are to “pray without ceasing.”
Jesus teaches us to pray in Matthew 6:9 “Our Father who art in Heaven..” He did not name anyone else.
Acts 4:12 ...And there is salvation in no one else, for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
That is the third observation in the Prologue to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Whew, I’ll say.
We believe the Holy Spirit inspires people of faith, including Catholics, but not ‘churches’ per se.
(shhhh. They don’t believe in sola scripture...)
A-A-A-A-MENNNNN, TITUS!
WHERE in heaven’s name is he being abusive here? LOL.
Holy cow, Catwoman, what could it be?
WONderful!
That, Petronski, is NOT abusive. Thick skins needed here...
Never did I say it was abusive.
Reeeoowwww! Thin-skinned?
In post 36, you said Titus was being abusive. That was a lie and I asked you about it. You replied with the catwoman thing. I’M not the one who is thin skinned, Petronski. Read your own posts. LOL.
I did not. What I said was "No need to be abusive." That is not a statement that he was, only that there is no need to be.
Good grief. Do you ever really read what you write?
That is about what you usually say when you realize you are wrong.
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