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To: OLD REGGIE; annalex; wmfights; Forest Keeper; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Quix; Marysecretary; enat; ...
ANNALEX: "The Church doesn't teach that the scripture is alone sufficient to learn the Christian faith..."

OLDREGGIE: Of course not. To do so would negate the need for the "big boys" to interpret Scripture for you.

lol. From the "boys'" own, Orwellian lips through the CCC we read (keeping in mind that the word "magisterium" is from the Latin word for "master")...

"890 -- The mission of the Magisterium is linked to the definitive nature of the covenant established by God with his people in Christ. It is this Magisterium's task to preserve God's people from deviations and defections and to guarantee them the objective possibility of professing the true faith without error. Thus, the pastoral duty of the Magisterium is aimed at seeing to it that the People of God abides in the truth that liberates. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church's shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals.

Hmmm. This certainly sounds like the magisterium has attempted to supplant the Holy Spirit. Not a smart move.

Consider this candor from Father Matthias Premm, in his book "Dogmatic Theology for the Laity" (1967)...

"...the teaching office of the Church is more important than the Bible: only an infallible Church can tell us what books belong to Scripture, and only an infallible Church can interpret the true meaning of Sacred Scripture; no one can do this for himself. Thus the Catholic can read only one Bible, the Bible which is published by the Church. In other words: the immediate and highest rule of faith is the living office of the Church."

2,994 posted on 08/15/2008 11:23:48 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
[ Hmmm. This certainly sounds like the magisterium has attempted to supplant the Holy Spirit. Not a smart move. ]

Taking the Holy Spirit out of the loop has been Satans Gospel from the beginning.. by questioning "GODs words".. The ONLY UNforgivable sin(supplanting the HS).. Inserting the magisterium is subtle but effective.. Sad to say many other denominations sideline the Holy Spirit also.. in a hundred ways.. But mainly by holding meetings that the Holy Spirit is an only observer.. Even the Holy Spirit cannot/could not change the way the meetings are held in some places.. Basically the Holy Spirit is not in charge and according to me it seems not even welcome.. Many protestant synagogues are as guilty as the Orthodox except in other ways.. The Holy Spirit can be, and is, taken right of the loop..

2,997 posted on 08/15/2008 11:48:21 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; annalex; wmfights; Forest Keeper; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Quix; Marysecretary; ...
Consider this candor from Father Matthias Premm, in his book "Dogmatic Theology for the Laity" (1967)...

WOW! Great find. He certainly DOES get honesty points. We've known for a long time that the Magisterium considers itself superior to scripture since they disallow the scripture to speak for itself. And he is absolutely right that no one can read the Bible for himself and arrive at Catholic theology. It's impossible. He notes that the true meaning is not found in scripture, it is a different meaning from the text. More honesty points for him.

3,000 posted on 08/15/2008 1:05:11 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; OLD REGGIE; annalex; wmfights; Forest Keeper; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Quix; ...
890... To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church's shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals.

Infallibility!?!?! We've been told countless time that the only time the pope in infallible is when he speaks ex cathedra and now we see that Catholic believe that there are exceptions to the ex cathedra rule.

The more you read about the doctrine of the Roman Catholic church, the more convoluted it becomes. (Besides, we can all see how wrong 890 really is in regards to morals.)

3,008 posted on 08/15/2008 2:22:28 PM PDT by Gamecock (The truth of Christianity does not hinge on my personal experience.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; OLD REGGIE; wmfights; Forest Keeper; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Quix; Marysecretary; ...
the magisterium has attempted to supplant the Holy Spirit.

No, merely to listen to Him, successfully.

3,012 posted on 08/15/2008 2:32:55 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Magesterium=Master. And didn’t the Word of God tell us NOT to call ANY man master? That word is reserved for HIM.


3,031 posted on 08/15/2008 9:12:45 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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