Annalex: Right, but in case of the disciples the teaching of God is recorded in the Gospel. In the case of Paul it is not recorded. So what do you call the unrecorded Word of God?
Here we go again with the Latin idea of ranking scriptures according to relative truth. The Bible is the Holy word of God. The Gospels are God's truth. The Epistles are God's truth. The Psalms are God's truth. The Prophets are God's truth. The Law is God's truth. Once you start ranking God's truth, then you pit God against God. Paul's teachings of God's word are FULLY recorded in God's word according to the sovereign will of God.
I should also add that St. Paul received at least the approval of the Church’s “pillars” (Gal 2:9).
Yes, well if you're thinking of trying to claim that Paul thought himself below the other Apostles, and especially Peter, then that idea might last about two verses and then disappear:
Gal 2:11 : When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong.
So much for the idea that Paul bowed at Peter's feet as the "Vicar of Christ". :) And speaking of that title, and under that Wiki heading, Vicar of Christ, I stumbled across the following:
The title "Vicar of Christ" came into use in the fifth and sixth centuries. The Christian Church prior to Constantine reserved the titles, "Vicar of Christ" and "Vicar of the Lord" exclusively for the Holy Spirit, whom Jesus sent to His Apostles to complete their training (John 16:12-15). Tertullian demonstrates this fact in the following quotes: (emphasis added)
Fascinating. The only thing that is shocking is how not shocked I am. LOL! Just another in a long line of examples of pulling God down to raise men up. God must decrease so that men may increase.
The title “Vicar of Christ” came into use in the fifth and sixth centuries. The Christian Church prior to Constantine reserved the titles, “Vicar of Christ” and “Vicar of the Lord” exclusively for the Holy Spirit, whom Jesus sent to His Apostles to complete their training (John 16:12-15). Tertullian demonstrates this fact in the following quotes: (emphasis added)
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INDEED.
Goodbye Holy Spirit, Hello Priest. Thanks for your stalwartness in defending the faith. Wish I had your ability to put things into words.
" For what kind of (supposition) is it, that, while the devil is always operating and adding daily to the ingenuities of iniquity, the work of God should either have ceased, or else have desisted from advancing? whereas the reason why the Lord sent the Paraclete was, that, since human mediocrity was unable to take in all things at once, discipline should, little by little, be directed, and ordained, and carried on to perfection, by that Vicar of the Lord, the Holy Spirit.[2] " Grant, then, that all have erred; that the apostle was mistaken in giving his testimony; that the Holy Ghost ... He, the Steward of God, the Vicar of Christ ...[1] "
Fascinating. The only thing that is shocking is how not shocked I am. LOL! Just another in a long line of examples of pulling God down to raise men up. God must decrease so that men may increase.
Fascinating, indeed. Thanks for this eye-opening fact.
Just goes to show you what we Reformers have noted all along: the catholic Church herself is not what she used to be and has clearly fallen. I doubt she would be recognized by even ancient Catholics and many of them would, had they lived in a later time, been with us Reformers AGAINST a church that lost the gospel.
Where did I do that? I pointed out that the revelation to St. Paul is not recorded in the same way as the teaching given the Apostles is recorded in the gospel. Now, I pose the question "do you call the unrecorded Word of God?" If you don't have the answer, just say that you don't rather than changing the topic.
if you're thinking of trying to claim that Paul thought himself below the other Apostles, and especially Peter
It has nothing to do with our discussion about the unrecorded deposit of faith and its superiority. However, in the Gal 2:11 episode St. Paul corrects St. Peter's behavior and not doctrine, -- the lifting of dietetic restrictions of the law of Moses had already occurred, under St. Peter's leadership. It is not a prooftext against Peter's primacy.