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To: John Leland 1789; Quix
ekklesia

I raise the issue as there are some on this thread
who de-construct the word "ekklesia" to mean their corporation.

When it means G-d's "Called out ones"

The gentiles of the world should feel blessed
that G-d's extended His salvation to others
other than His Chosen People through Paul
and not through Peter.

i believe Wycliff was murdered because he
uniformly translated ekklesia as congregation
and not church.

Both Rome and CoE feared the loss of power
by the correct translation.

I have read somewhere that the KJV is Wycliff's translation
that have been updated to say church instead of congregation.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
1,701 posted on 07/21/2008 8:19:49 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

Agreed.

Thx.


1,705 posted on 07/21/2008 8:32:13 AM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: XeniaSt

Writing sympathetically with what I believe to be your main point.

Wycliffe’s NT was translated almost entirely from Latin. The KJB translators translated principally from Greek (that is, the NT) and compared former versions, including Wycliffe’s.

I believe that even were all the instances of “church” translated ‘assembly’ or ‘congregation,’ the same religious organizations would still try to force the same passages to mean their organization. It’s a religious thing. It’s a political thing. It’s a control thing - a desire for dominion.


1,718 posted on 07/21/2008 9:19:11 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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