There’s a blatant fraud to the shroud. It can never be proved to be Jesus’.
Point it out to us.
Read "Turin Shroud" by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince (1994) isbn 0-06-017224-X. They make the claim that the Shroud is actually the world's first photograph, possibly done by daVinci, the only one smart enough to figure out a way of creating it. I read the book because, while not a Believer, I thought the claim preposterous.
However, they bring out the fact that capturing an image on skin or cloth was well known as far back as Roman times, but that the image could never be fixed - it faded after a while. daVinci came up with a method (think of writing in lemon juice and then heating it to reveal the writing - same "scorching" effect).
They also brought out points I missed or were unaware of: If it was a burial shroud, why didn't the top of the head leave an impression? Instead the front and back are hinged. In the chapter "Getting the Measure of Shroudman" they claim that the head is a seperate image (a solid line of demarcation between it and the body that can't be explained by the cloth being folded under the chin) and is much brighter than the body, indicating a seperate application. The head is too small proportionally - the usual ratio of head to height ranging from 1.75 to 1.85 but the Shroud's proportion is 1.87 on the front and 1.92 on the back. Also, the front image measures 203cm (6'8") and the back 208cm (6'10"). A miracle indeed.
They were able to replicate the way the image was created by capturing an image on cloth treated with egg white and chemicals of the daVinci period, then "fixing" it by exposing it to heat.
I ended up thinking it made more sense than anything else I had read (a lot) about the subject. They also gave interesting insights on how the "Shroudies" (believers) sidetrack info that doesn't agree with their theories. Nothing new there, but it does cast suspicion on the "open-mindedness" of some who say the Shroud is real. Right now, I'm thinking it's a fantastic artifact - the world's first photograph, about 400 years before Daguerre.
At the end, the authors ask any college photographic department to try their method and see if their results can be replicated. Sounds like something neat students specializing in photography could do.
There’s a blatant fraud to the shroud. It can never be proved to be Jesus’.
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We will have to wait for Christ to return and ask Him if it was his burial shroud.
No one is stating that it is - but all the massive modalities brought to bear in examining the shroud have NOT been able to DISprove it... much to the consternation of the atheists determined to.
All the modern science against something that is hundreds of years old cannot disprove it...even the depictions of Jesus in the art world testify to the existence of the Shroud back hundreds of years before the time the of the flawed carbon dating date. .
People don't change. Only names and times change.
There were people who knew Jesus in person who not only couldn't/wouldn't accept Him or His message but set out to destroy Him.
Those same personalities/mindsets are with us today. If Jesus, Himself, appeared and verified that the Shroud is His, they would deny Him yet again.
It has always seemed that the deniers are bitter in their "you can't PROVE it!" protestations...angrily emotional with a touch of fear?
Wrong, bucko. Just say the word when you're ready to debate/discuss the topic in detail; I'll be there.