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To: Petronski

“And if by grace, then is it NO MORE OF WORKS: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it NO MORE GRACE: otherwise work is no more work.” (Romans 11:6)

The two, grace and works, can not both be in operation at the same time for the salvation of the soul.


5,011 posted on 06/11/2008 5:18:14 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
The two, grace and works, can not both be in operation at the same time for the salvation of the soul.

Thank you for your own personal interpretation of poorly translated Scripture.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, it is not now by works: otherwise grace is no more grace.

KJV sure stuffed that verse up like a polska kielbasa. LOL

Challoner on Romans 11:6:

If salvation were to come by works, done by nature, without faith and grace, salvation would not be a grace or favour, but a debt; but such dead works are indeed of no value in the sight of God towards salvation. It is not the same with regard to works done with and by God's grace; for to such works as these he has promised eternal salvation.

5,016 posted on 06/11/2008 5:27:51 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: John Leland 1789
If this works, the Greek:

εἰ δὲ χάριτι, οὐκέτι ἐξ ἔργων, ἐπεὶ ἡ χάρις οὐκέτι γίνεται χάρις.

The Latin:

si autem gratia non ex operibus alioquin gratia iam non est gratia

The Douay-Rheims:

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, it is not now by works: otherwise grace is no more grace.

French Darby:

Or, si c'est par la grâce, ce n'est plus sur le principe des oeuvres, puisque autrement la grâce n'est plus la grâce.

German Elberfelder:

Wenn aber durch Gnade, so nicht mehr aus Werken; sonst ist die Gnade nicht mehr Gnade.

KJV

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Hmmm.
One of these things is not like the other.
One of these things just isn't the same.

5,021 posted on 06/11/2008 5:44:55 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: John Leland 1789
“And if by grace, then is it NO MORE OF WORKS: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it NO MORE GRACE: otherwise work is no more work.” (Romans 11:6) The two, grace and works, can not both be in operation at the same time for the salvation of the soul.

Amen.

5,095 posted on 06/12/2008 1:41:24 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Christus)
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To: John Leland 1789

If you depend on your works to get you into heaven, you’re lost already. First is faith, then works that God gives you to do. Can’t work your way in without a Saviour.


5,166 posted on 06/12/2008 1:55:24 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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