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To: Mad Dawg; Alamo-Girl; OLD REGGIE; 1000 silverlings; Quix; DungeonMaster; Mr. K; John Leland 1789; ..
If I make a proposition and someone responds merely by asserting its contrary

CCC: 969 - 969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."512

This is what the Roman Catholic church "proposes." God's holy word "asserts the contrary."

As many times as required.

'For Christ is not entered into the holy place made with hands...but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:" -- Hebrews 9:24


"Wherefore he (Jesus) is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he forever liveth to make intercession for them." -- Hebrews 7:25


"He (Jesus) maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God...

It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us." -- Romans 8:27,34


"...if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" -- 1 John 2:1


"Behold, God is mine helper" -- Psalm 54:4


"So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me." -- Hebrews 13:6


"For this cause he (Christ) is the mediator of the new testament." -- Hebrews 9:15


"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Christ Jesus." -- 1 Timothy 2:5

I have been the recipient of a hundred "Calvinism makes robots out of Christians." Not once have I thought I was being personally insulted. Each time that criticism is leveled is an opportunity to counter with Scripture, with Spurgeon, with Boettner, with Van Til, with Warfield, with Augustine, with Calvin, with Luther, with Edwards, etc.

It's called debate.

And in this debate, as raucus and persistent as possible within the guidelines of the FR Religion Forum, we Bible-believing Christians will "do so repeatedly," having "examined the consequences" and determined the truth to be worth stating out loud.

It feels like an attack.

Perhaps, then, it's the Catholic apologist who should "examine the consequences" of "asserting the contrary" to what the Scriptures instruct...

"For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." -- 1 Corinthians 2:2

4,209 posted on 06/09/2008 9:23:15 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

INDEED.


4,212 posted on 06/09/2008 9:26:49 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you so much for sharing your insights and especially thank you for those beautiful Scriptures, dear sister in Christ!
4,214 posted on 06/09/2008 9:29:59 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

None of the verses you quote state that Mary cannot or does not intercede for us.


4,215 posted on 06/09/2008 9:30:18 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...we Bible-believing Christians will "do so repeatedly," having "examined the consequences" and determined the truth to be worth stating out loud.

Thanks for including Catholics in that. I appreciate it.

4,217 posted on 06/09/2008 9:32:07 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Amen, Dr. E. Too bad we can’t use scriptures to counter the RC’s beliefs for they don’t believe in sola scripture or sola fide. And many may go to hell because of it. Sad stuff.


4,227 posted on 06/09/2008 9:40:24 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Perhaps, then, it's the Catholic apologist who should "examine the consequences" of "asserting the contrary" to what the Scriptures instruct...

You've got to understand, apologetics is new to them. They come from a history of being a state church in an era where the kings could determine the faith of their subjects. It's only been about 500 yrs since freedom came to man in the Reformation. ;-0

4,255 posted on 06/09/2008 10:10:43 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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    1 Timothy 2:1-3 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Do I hear a thank-you for posting that beautiful scripture? Let me guess. Making an intercession is not the same as being an intercessor, right?
4,262 posted on 06/09/2008 10:20:05 AM PDT by Titanites
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