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To: Gargantua
Yet what does Catholicism preach? Say 10 "Our Fathers and 12"Hail Marys" and you'll be forgiven!!??

It's bad to use bar-room jokes as a substitute for research. Penances are not given to obtain forgiveness. That's complete nonsense. YOu're talking to someone who makes a confession every AT LEAST 3 to 4 weeks.

Tip: If you want to know what Catholics teach, and what they are expected to believe, ask an informed Catholic. Do not ask someone whose ante in the game is to profess his anti-Catholicism. Even if he's right to disagree with us, he may not be a good source for what we actually teach.

For example, uou may not know that near the end of each confession the penitent is invited to say a prayer telling God (NOT telling the priest, as you present it, but telling GOD!) how sorry he is. And as a frequent penitent, I can tell you fer shur that I am not telling the priest INSTEAD of telling God, my sins.

We MAY be a Satanic cult, but not for the reasons you present. And you should ask yourself what kind of outfit peddles misinformation and remind yourself who the father of lies is.

10,574 posted on 06/30/2008 6:01:12 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Gargantua
Penances are not given to obtain forgiveness.

According to New Advent, the sacrament of penance is "a sacrament of the New Law instituted by Christ in which forgiveness of sins committed after baptism is granted through the priest's absolution to those who with true sorrow confess their sins and promise to satisfy for the same."

Double-talk.

10,579 posted on 06/30/2008 6:11:56 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Mad Dawg
I posted my observations after having been raised Catholic, received my First Communion and my Confirmation.

Then, I started reading the Bible. I was amazed.

You use this artless dodge to avoid the huge discrepancies, which I pointed out, between God's (Jesus') teachings in the Bible, and the teachings of the Catholic Church, of which I have been a personal, decades long witness.

So it's your position that after Confession, the priest doesn't hand out a number of "Our Fathers" and "Hail Marys" to be repeated as a part of the ritual of absolution? Please clarify.

;-)

10,605 posted on 06/30/2008 6:36:18 PM PDT by Gargantua (...Bring the barbecue sauce. ;-/)
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To: Mad Dawg
Fine. So change what I wrote to this, then answer the question isntead of seizing on a small part of the sentence and using that as an excuse to ignore the valid point being made.

Yet what does the Priest tell us to do? Say 10 "Our Fathers" and 12 "Hail Marys".

;-/

10,612 posted on 06/30/2008 6:41:55 PM PDT by Gargantua (...Bring the barbecue sauce. ;-/)
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