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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: netmilsmom

He’s baaaaaccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!


861 posted on 06/01/2008 8:36:43 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: LiteKeeper

My point is that functionally the two are hard to distinguish.


862 posted on 06/01/2008 8:37:36 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: tiki
I don’t think they really hate us.

The loudest ones certainly do. It's a fetish. It's pathological.

863 posted on 06/01/2008 8:37:39 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski

Pot calling kettle black...


864 posted on 06/01/2008 8:37:50 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Quix

WeBa!


865 posted on 06/01/2008 8:37:59 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: Quix

Thank you very much, my friend. Sorry about the timeout.

God bless.

Jim


866 posted on 06/01/2008 8:38:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: netmilsmom; Dr. Eckleburg
I know it’s hard to think about, but the man is Dead. As in D-E-A-D. He bought the farm, kicked the bucket, is no longer breathing. Whatever he did is between him and Our Lord. He passed on a while ago.

Am I to understand you are saying nothing he did, said, or wrote had any lasting impact on the Catholic Church?

Is ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS null and void?

Are all pronouncements of long gone dead and buried Popes null and void?

867 posted on 06/01/2008 8:39:48 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Marysecretary
What???

You're claiming I'm an anti-Catholic bigot?

868 posted on 06/01/2008 8:41:25 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Marysecretary
Catholic teaching may or may not equate Mary with Jesus, but many Catholics do. Maybe they need a refresher course?

*shrugs*

I honestly do not know. I can understand a desire to learn more about Mary and how she lived her life, being that she was the mother of our Messiah. I can even see how an immaculate quality, derived from the birth of Jesus and the infusion of the Holy Spirit, would be enough for some to consider her free of original sin.

But to put her equal with Jesus? Or, in some weird cases, to have Jesus's grace depend on her?

Kind of makes you scratch your head.

869 posted on 06/01/2008 8:42:30 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I'm not going to spoon feed Scripture to anyone who presents themselves as an informed commentator.

Find the Old Testament Scriptures Peter is referencing in Acts 1. Consider the famous passages concerning Lucifer in Isaiah. Read the explaination of the writer's reasoning in Hebrews concerning the Scriptural witness of Melchizedek.

In short, there is NO Scriptural evidence the kind of heurmanutics advocated by Bible-only Christians is actually used by the persons IN the Bible to understand the Bible they had at the time, so why should we give it any respect NOW?

870 posted on 06/01/2008 8:42:30 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Mad Dawg

Your caucus thread on Don’t Feed the Trolls was extremely revealing to us as well. LOL.


871 posted on 06/01/2008 8:42:35 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Judith Anne

Second Hand Lion was wonderful. I saw it twice and would see it again if it were on. Great actors and good plot.


872 posted on 06/01/2008 8:43:35 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Jim Robinson

As much as I super dearly love FR and deplore being cut-off from my family here . . .

imho,

YOU, SIR, ARE WORTH A TEN THOUSAND TIME-OUTS.

Though I sincerely hope you don’t use such a method to increase my prayers for you in the future. LOL.


873 posted on 06/01/2008 8:45:19 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Marysecretary; dangus; Mad Dawg

I thought it was great!

:D


874 posted on 06/01/2008 8:46:45 PM PDT by Judith Anne (..)
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To: netmilsmom; OLD REGGIE; Dr. Eckleburg
I know it’s hard to think about, but the man is Dead. As in D-E-A-D. He bought the farm, kicked the bucket, is no longer breathing. Whatever he did is between him and Our Lord. He passed on a while ago.

So have a lot of other people of importance who impacted the lives of many for beyond their years on Earth.

For what it's worth, diplomatic courtesy or no, I think it was a bad idea for Pope John Paul II to kiss the Koran. I felt that way back then, still feel that way now.

Even though he wasn't declaring an ex cathedra Catholic doctrine to respect the Koran, it was still a bad idea.

Saying that's not denigrating the man, which would be a definite issue since he is no longer among us in this world. But we can still consider his actions in a positive or negative manner.

Otherwise, all the economists lambasting FDR's New Deal way after the fact would be shamed before their work even hit to stands, to make a point.

875 posted on 06/01/2008 8:47:45 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: XeniaSt

It’s a debatable question.

It would have been infra dignitatem for the procurator to embrace the language of the barbarians in any official correspondence or record of legal proceedings.

Bilingualism and multilingualism were common at that place and time, though. It’s easy to imagine some scribe standing beneath him translating back and forth to preserve the fiction of Roman indifference to the barbarians, even though Pilate and the crowd in fact spoke each other’s languages.


876 posted on 06/01/2008 8:49:03 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

You made some good remarks about hate, but I want to add a nuance:

Some Protestants hate some Catholics, and vice versa. I have never heard of it being an “all or nothing” type of thing.

Good night, great thread.


877 posted on 06/01/2008 8:50:29 PM PDT by Judith Anne (..)
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To: Petronski

Humans!


878 posted on 06/01/2008 8:50:35 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: XeniaSt

I have created nothing. Don’t attribute anything to me that is false.


879 posted on 06/01/2008 8:52:01 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I have been taught that this particular verse speaks of the nation Israel in end times and has nothing to do with Mary.


880 posted on 06/01/2008 8:52:04 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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