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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)
Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
In order to be born as a man, Christ required a human mother. So, no Mary, no Christ.
To: netmilsmom
So again you offer no evidence that the Protestant worships the Bible.
You may have had a teacher who taught class while he "had a Bible on his hand" (neat trick and not so easy to do.)
Is that your proof he or Protestants "worship the Bible?"
722
posted on
06/01/2008 6:21:08 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
Where in the Bible do we learn that Mary could or would or did "alter God's divine plan?"Already answered.
To: Dr. Eckleburg
First, I'm not asking Mary for mediation - mediation is reconciling us and God. I'm asking her for intercession - that she bring my petitions to God through her Son; essentially, pray for me. James 5:16 tells us the prayers of the righteous are especially effective, and I believe she is especially righteous.
How do our petitions get to God? Through Jesus. But Jesus is God, no? All petitions go to God through Jesus - He is the bottleneck, so to speak, but the petitions take many routes to Him. Why did the Psalmist command Angels - are they not in Heaven? If Angels in Heaven can hear us, why can't Saints?
724
posted on
06/01/2008 6:23:03 PM PDT
by
thefrankbaum
(Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
To: Ultra Sonic 007
He certainly hasn't been looking over my shoulder, if that's what you're thinking. No, I'm not thinking that.
725
posted on
06/01/2008 6:23:27 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: netmilsmom
I think whatsoever efficacy the prayers of the saints have it does not always depend on the faith of the person being prayed for. In fact one outcome of the prayers may be an infusion of faith. God is gracious and doesn't wait on us to do it right and even reaches out to those who have turned away from Him
Consequently I think since the saint's who see Him as He is are, if the Bible is to be believed, "like Him" in some respect, maybe that respect is charity, and maybe they pray for those who do not want their prayers or do not think they can pray.
726
posted on
06/01/2008 6:25:30 PM PDT
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: netmilsmom
I don't know if you heard, but the man is dead. Did anyone tell you? So really that's between him and God. I'm not sure any of our opinions count!!!! So when it suits the RCC a pope's actions and opinions are to be considered as weighty and important and some of them even "infallible!"
But when it doesn't suit the RCC then we're supposed to keep quiet and not even speak about what a pope did or said or kissed.
727
posted on
06/01/2008 6:26:18 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
>>You may have had a teacher who taught class while he “had a Bible on his hand” (neat trick and not so easy to do.)<<
It was pretty amazing. Some of us learned nothing while he balanced it. Good thing I had already taken honors English.
There’s lot of FReeper who have seen lots of non-Catholics worshiping the Bible. In fact, lots of us see it all the time. Protestants on tv holding up the Bible to ward off evil. And on a side note, Miracle Spring Water and prayer towels.
Are you saying that we are lying? Or maybe interperting things only our way withoout considering intent?
728
posted on
06/01/2008 6:27:17 PM PDT
by
netmilsmom
(I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
To: 1000 silverlings
729
posted on
06/01/2008 6:27:34 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
>>But when it doesn’t suit the RCC then we’re supposed to keep quiet and not even speak about what a pope did or said or kissed. <<
I know it’s hard to think about, but the man is Dead. As in D-E-A-D. He bought the farm, kicked the bucket, is no longer breathing. Whatever he did is between him and Our Lord. He passed on a while ago. I know some of us are really busy busting Catholics but there really is a whole news forum connected with FR.
It’s very informative over there.
730
posted on
06/01/2008 6:30:28 PM PDT
by
netmilsmom
(I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
To: Judith Anne
Read 85 of the RCC catechism on vatican.va and tell me why my sentence is “curious” to you.
731
posted on
06/01/2008 6:30:46 PM PDT
by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Judith Anne; Dr. Eckleburg
In order to be born as a man, Christ required a human mother. So, no Mary, no Christ. 721 posted on June 1, 2008 7:20:11 PM MDT by Judith Anne
It could have been any Jewish maiden with Miriam's bloodlines.
b'SHEM Yah'shua
732
posted on
06/01/2008 6:31:46 PM PDT
by
Uri’el-2012
(you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
To: Mad Dawg
And don’t forget, there is no authority but God...and them.
733
posted on
06/01/2008 6:31:50 PM PDT
by
tiki
(True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
To: XeniaSt
All answered in Paul’s Letter to the Romans
734
posted on
06/01/2008 6:35:05 PM PDT
by
1000 silverlings
(Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
To: tiki
And not a little difficulty in telling one from t’other.
735
posted on
06/01/2008 6:35:46 PM PDT
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: 1000 silverlings
All answered in Pauls Letter to the RomansDid Paul and John worship on Shabbat ? Or are you looking through the Lens of Nicea with it's anti-semitism ?
b'SHEM Yah'shua
736
posted on
06/01/2008 6:39:23 PM PDT
by
Uri’el-2012
(you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
To: netmilsmom
737
posted on
06/01/2008 6:40:34 PM PDT
by
Ultra Sonic 007
(Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
To: OLD REGGIE
Joh 2:1 And the third day, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee: and the mother of Jesus was there.
Joh 2:2 And Jesus also was invited, and his disciples, to the marriage. Joh 2:3 And the wine failing, the mother of Jesus saith to him: They have no wine.
Joh 2:4 And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? My hour is not yet come.
Joh 2:5 His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.
Someone please show me the "ask" here.
738
posted on
06/01/2008 6:41:23 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
So it would seem it's the Catholic who requires something other than the risen Christ.Actually, if you availed yourself of those things He left for us, you wouldn't need to make so much up on your own.
To: netmilsmom
Some of those TV preachers hold it in their right hands, up in the air, as though everything they were saying was scripture, LOL!
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