Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
***You’ve come to understand the font of GTTM: gibberish to the max.***
Oh, no. I’m just a beginner. I am learning at the feet of the master. Master Quix has been instructing me in the art of the gibberish, the science of the non sequitur, and he has been extremely helpful in identifying the irrelevant.
Don’t bother.
***The whole is much greater than the sum of its parts, so whether or not they took longer than usual to fill the chair does not take away from the fact that the chair was filled, the papacy endured, the Church thrived...and we’ve come all the way to Pope Benedict, and a pretty darn good pope he is.***
No way. Every Protestant armchair quarterback reserves the right to sit back and critique everything that the Pope does - up to and including the right to say the phrase - the Rock is Christ and therefore anything you say is invalid.
I would recommend Kingdom of the Cults to you. All it does is show the differences between what Christians believe and what cults believe.
Sorry, he’s already pinged.
Why would it bother you to discuss a conversion?
Thank you.
But I would ask you how you know that any information there is accurate. How do you know?
Is it sanctioned by the Church?
Matthew 20:26-28
“But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
“And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
“Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”
“Even as the Son of man came . . . “ Is there one single preacher from any church or denomination visible on earth today who is ministering “even as the Son of man.”
Is there one preacher from any church or denomination visible on earth today is preaching the same message the Son of man was preaching when He walked on this earth? If they think that they are, perhaps it is because they have redefined the terms for their own purposes.
Who can see the installation of a “pope” (If the word “pope” could not be used, what Biblical word would be used?) in Matthew 16? There is a man there who will be called “Holy Father?” Peter (is it believed?) would have accepted the appellation, “Holy Father?”
Can anyone provide five New Testament cross references to Matthew 16 that indicate why the words there are teaching the installation of a man into ANY OFFICE? Where is there an OFFICE or position mentioned in Matthew ch. 16?
A perpetual office at that? How is any perpetuity of any OFFICE taught in Matthew ch. 16? Logically, if Matthew 16 is teaching a perpetuity of OFFICE, then shouldn't Peter himself should be getting as much OR MORE attention than Mary?
In all the cases where it is taught that people should appeal to Mary, why not also, or instead, to Peter? Why not teach that Peter, as well, was somehow immune to the sin nature. Or, that upon his “conversion” mentioned in Luke ch. 22, he entered a sinless state. Why not teach an “assumption” of Peter, unless that would deminish from the relics no Christian was ever instructed in Scripture to fool withy? Those kinds of things could be rationalized in religious dogma just as easily as anything spoken of Mary.
Why should not Peter be the chief individual in the presence of Christ who performs all for the salvation of people attributed to Mary? Or at least side-by-side with Mary?
Where is any office mentioned in Matthew chapter 21? It might be said that Jesus Christ paid more attention to Peter and favored him above the others. If that is any reason to create an office, then should not the Apostle Paul be given that office? Should not Paul should be the Vicar of Christ in the New Testament.
Actually, according to 2 Corinthians 5:18 to 21, are not all believers IN CHRIST'S STEAD. Are not ALL children of God in this age Vicars of Christ? If any passage in the New Testament teaches such a thing as “vicars,” it would be 2 Corinthians 5:20, “WE PRAY YOU IN CHRIST'S STEAD.” Vicar of Christ means in the place or stead of Christ. Shouldn't I be able to see Paul as the “Vicar of Christ” just as soon as I would see Peter in such a position? But in truth, every last single genuine child of God left on this earth is “vicar of Christ” as long as they are here.
And did not Paul make it to Rome with a Biblical record of having arrived there? Peter? I see no record at all. And if Peter were in Rome? When? WHEN? Was Peter the pope in Rome at any time while Paul was still living? Would they have been somewhat of comparable age? If Peter was the Bishop in Rome, why was he such a very poor pastor who, evidently, never visited the members of his church who were in prison. Paul mentions quite a few people when writing from his jail cell, but never mentions Peter at all!
And Christ showing some special attention to one apostle over another? After Acts chapter 11, how little is there of Peter. Paul was converted to Christ in Acts chapter 9. His ministry expanded very rapidly. After Acts 15 you don't hear of Peter again, do you? Unless he is mentioned by Paul? From that time on it is the extremely prolific and productive ministry of Paul.
Paul wrote fourteen epistles.
Peter wrote how many?
Did not Paul write SEVEN TIMES the number of Epistles as Peter? If one apostle seems to be exalted and magnified, what would be his name?
Paul said, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, “I MAGNIFY MINE OFFICE.”(Romans 11:13) Did Peter ever speak such words?
Actually, if I were to select a place where I thought Peter was installed as a pope, I think it should be when he walked on water. And the installation would be when Christ's hand touched Peters. Is that not great stuff?
Of course I have a driver’s license.
With a sub-stamp authorizing me to drive some RC’s to distractions!
LOL.
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Naw.
I think it’s much more fun to watch some of the RC flights of fancy about such things.
Happy to be of service! LOL.
Reading another poster's mind is a form of "making it personal."
And what rapturous thankfulness is fostered by such an apt pupil!
The saints be praised.
No, no! That won’t do. I’m a Protty . . .
The fantasies be fanciful!
There. That’s better.
Tee hee.
And a one and a two . . .
And a gibbbbbbbbberish here
And a gibbbbbbbbberish there
And Mildred’s 3 behind the sofa.
And a gibbbbbbbbberish here
And a gibbbbbbbbberish there
And Uncle Farnsworth’s heading for the barn
While Mildred’s hunting gibberishes behind the sofa.
And a gibbergibberish here
And a gibbergibberish there
And Uncle Farnsworth was
Assaulted by a flock of
Very black gibbergibberishes
The moment he opened the barn door.
Whereupon Mildred stuck her head up
From behind the sofa with it
All covered in gibbbbbberishes.
Alas her son watching
THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL on the Telly
Told her they were just dust bunnys—to try again.
But when she flipped red striped bloomers up
And dust bunny covered head down to search
Yet again for gibbbbbberishes
Jr Farnsworth wished he’d suggested, instead
That she go chase the rabbits out of the rutabagas.
The end. Red stripes and all.
Ahhhhh yes
1600 years plus 400 fantasized, cobbled together, shoehorned in, rubber histories plus a rubber math book yield 2000 fractured years! LOL.
What fun.
Those who deny the continuity of the papacy are invited to offer their thoughts after reading the First Letter of Clement to the Corinthians (http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/1clement-lightfoot.html), if they can.
Additional background: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/info/1clement.html
Word salad. Classic.
Some folks are highly unlikely to be convinced by any amount of facts.
With them, I’m content to merely be entertaining.
LOL.
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