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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: fortheDeclaration
You are confusing a interpretation of the verse with the translation of the verse.

I am not confusing them, I am making that precise distinction. All the translations I mentioned are translations. The KJV is a protestant interpretation stuffed in where a translation should be. The effect is to add words to Scriptures...good luck with that.

5,121 posted on 06/12/2008 6:24:37 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: fortheDeclaration
So, if you are not saved you are not a Christian, no matter what you call yourself.

Thank you for your personal interpretation of Scripture.

5,122 posted on 06/12/2008 6:27:09 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: fortheDeclaration

1Jn 5:13 refers back to 1Jn5:1-12, where **gasp** works are prescribed.


5,123 posted on 06/12/2008 6:31:03 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Judith Anne

Brava! Brava! Bravissima!

Superbly stated, praise God!


5,124 posted on 06/12/2008 6:38:17 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: fortheDeclaration
You and your Roman Catholic friends have been informed of the truth, what you do with it is between you and the Lord. (Acts.13:51, Titus 3:10)

What we Catholics do with the truth is, collectively, operate and worship in the Church founded by Christ, lead by His Vicar on earth, Pope Benedict XVI, successor to St. Peter.

5,125 posted on 06/12/2008 6:40:22 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: fortheDeclaration

I did not claim in 5016 that I had posted the KJV version of Rom 11:16. I was replying to a post that listed the KJV version of Rom 11:16. I replied with a faithful translation of Rom 11:16, in contrast to the overstuffed kielbasa that is KJV’s Rom 11:16.


5,126 posted on 06/12/2008 6:43:54 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: fortheDeclaration
I state that Catholics aren't Christians since they aren't saved...

It is not for you to decide if Catholics are save or not.

...and that is due to the fact that Catholicism teaches another Gosepl...

Catholicism teaches the Gospel of Christ.

...that rejects the Protestant view Justification by faith alone.

While protestants teach the Gospel of Luther, Calvin, et al. Sola fide is not biblical. It is a false tradition of vain men.

5,127 posted on 06/12/2008 6:47:15 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Judith Anne
Christ Himself commands me, that if I love Him, I must love you, FTD, but nowhere did He say I have to like you.

Matthew 5:43-48

:O)

5,128 posted on 06/12/2008 6:49:40 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: rollo tomasi

***What vile “things”? ***

For example, one poster here called her a demon from the OT. Wander through the evangelical sites and see what she’s called.

***Those God directly touched and worked with such as Enoch or Elijah or Moses or Saul or David are all creations on par with Mary. Each fulfilled a role that God revealed, encouraged and blessed them with.***

Bearing the infant Jesus and being His mother for His entire life on Earth is no more than these men?

***Excuse us if some people start to scratch their heads at “the only one true Church” that assumes the arrogant position of speaking ex cathedra (”Formally” defined in the swift year of 1870 in the year of our Lord) and determining your eternal soul is is jeopardy because you question some legend that has nothing to do with salvation by the Cross.***

I will excuse you, certainly. But I am not your Judge.

***Excuse those who are God/Christ/Holy Spirit only that question your Church putting Mary on a higher pedestal than Enoch or Elijah or Moses or Saul or David or any other creation directly chosen by God to act in His will. ***

Ditto.

***Still looking for that verse/command which says your going to hell if you question who Jesus brings up to Heaven with their human earthly body. Also still looking for that Apostle/early Church father who ever tought about an assumption. ***

Scripture tells us what the role of the Church is.

http://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/library_article/189/Ancient_Homily_on_Mary_s_Assumption____St._John_Damascene.html gives a Church Father homily on the Assumption.


5,129 posted on 06/12/2008 6:52:26 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Judith Anne

I am keeping this post.

Thanks for saying it for me.

All that the negative proselytyzing has done for me is to solidify me in my Faith. For that re-affirmation of all that I believe, I thank God.


5,130 posted on 06/12/2008 6:53:44 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: John Leland 1789

You complicate things. The formula:

God-breathed scriptures (all 73 books)
+ Holy-Spirit-inspired traditions
___________________________________________
= The Church founded by Christ


5,131 posted on 06/12/2008 6:58:00 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Running On Empty

I thank God too.


5,132 posted on 06/12/2008 6:59:18 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: John Leland 1789

You’re certainly entitled to make up your own history if you want.

I’ll stick with His Church, thanks anyway.


5,133 posted on 06/12/2008 6:59:37 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Your own sources admit they add tradition to what the Bible teaches.

Yes, Scripture AND Tradition. It's not a dichotomy, there is no conflict.

5,134 posted on 06/12/2008 7:01:27 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: rollo tomasi

***At least the “line of Peter” should have warned us of this “assumption” say AROUND 100-125 AD. It would only be fair and of proper “tradition” :)***

The concept of the Trinity wasn’t worked out by the Church for centuries either. Neither was the canon.

Either you accept the Church and its authority or else you don’t. Picking and choosing is verboten Scripturally.


5,135 posted on 06/12/2008 7:02:05 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Does Catholicism preach the same Gospel as Protestants or not?

Protestants overlay the Gospel with the errors sola scriptura and sola fide.

5,136 posted on 06/12/2008 7:02:37 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: fortheDeclaration
If not, only one Gospel is the true one while the other one is salvation by faith alone in the saving work of Christ...
5,137 posted on 06/12/2008 7:03:56 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Quix

***What a list of lies from the pit!***

I was wondering when you’d get around to calling the Church of Jesus Christ satanic.

The father of lies likes useful idiots.


5,138 posted on 06/12/2008 7:04:09 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Mad Dawg
Short gnomic wiseacre answer:

It wasn't meant to be at all. I didn't figure you would want to read thru a long expose from me, I'm sure you've read thru them on the James letter before.

Please just forget answering, obviously you are going to ascribe untrue motives to anything I have to say.

5,139 posted on 06/12/2008 11:43:42 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Marysecretary
certain people “precious.”

lol. I have a theology professor friend, he calls the freshman "my little foetuses"

5,140 posted on 06/12/2008 11:47:00 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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