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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: John Leland 1789

I will only point out that rape is not about sensual or erotic pleasure. It is about power.

That is all.


3,961 posted on 06/07/2008 5:23:48 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: mgist
I really wish God never gave us free will. Or at least I wish I had just enough free will to ask God to take it away from me.

Easy. Simply submit your will and intellect to the magesterium.
3,962 posted on 06/07/2008 5:25:44 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: mgist

Yes, it is a bumpy road. He continually teaches and prunes us to be more like Jesus. We all get detoured sometimes, but I look at it this way, the detour comes out further ahead on that road. You’re still on it and further ahead than you were before. I don’t feel entitled. I feel blessed that Jesus died on that cross for me and that I can be with Him for all eternity because I have asked Him to come into my life and be my Lord and Saviour. Love, Maryxxx


3,963 posted on 06/07/2008 5:26:28 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary

I can respect that. I feel really blessed too. That Free Will thing kills me though, I don’t trust myself enough. When the devil tricks us into doing things that are offensive to God, like Eve, we never realize it.


3,964 posted on 06/07/2008 5:34:37 PM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: trisham
Pope Benedict needs not my humble attempts to “interpret” his words. He speaks to us all, in words we can understand if we choose.

I ask only ask you to interpret for the ignorant (i am included) who are in danger of the incorrect interpretation.

For heavens sake, we might conclude he relegates non-Catholics to an inferior status. "Defective" even.

3,965 posted on 06/07/2008 5:35:24 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: mgist
Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word." (CONSENT) Then the angel departed from her. Luke 1 38-39

Luke 1:
[31] And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. (IT IS DECIDED!)

3,966 posted on 06/07/2008 5:40:02 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Today's Gospel

Mk 12:38-44

In the course of his teaching Jesus said, “Beware of the scribes, who like to go around in long robes and accept greetings in the marketplaces, seats of honor in synagogues, and places of honor at banquets. They devour the houses of widows and, as a pretext, recite lengthy prayers. They will receive a very severe condemnation.”

He sat down opposite the treasury and observed how the crowd put money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. A poor widow also came and put in two small coins worth a few cents. Calling his disciples to himself, he said to them, “Amen, I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all the other contributors to the treasury. For they have all contributed from their surplus wealth, but she, from her poverty, has contributed all she had, her whole livelihood.”

3,967 posted on 06/07/2008 5:42:35 PM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: mgist

The Holy Spirit will convict you of your sin. I can’t get away with much, LOL. Yes, I’ve often jokingly said that the free will thing was God’s only mistake!


3,968 posted on 06/07/2008 5:43:51 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I do not accept the Catholic church. I knowingly and willfully and gratefully rebuke it.

And if, at the moment of your death, your assumptions are shown to be wrong what will you do?

3,969 posted on 06/07/2008 5:51:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Luke 1

In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And coming to her, he said, ,"Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you." 29 But she was greatly troubled at what was said and pondered what sort of greeting this might be. 30 Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, 11 and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end." 34 But Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I have no relations with a man?" 12 35 And the angel said to her in reply, "The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God. 36 And behold, Elizabeth, your relative, has also conceived 13 a son in her old age, and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren; 37 for nothing will be impossible for God." 38 Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word." THEN the angel departed from her.
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39 During those days Mary set out and traveled to the hill country in haste to a town of Judah, 40 where she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth. 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit, 42 cried out in a loud voice and said, "Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb."

3,970 posted on 06/07/2008 5:52:35 PM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: Marysecretary

Thanks for your point of view. I, of course, totally disagree.

Blessings.


3,971 posted on 06/07/2008 6:07:32 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: mgist
Oh to be but a humble Priest.
3,972 posted on 06/07/2008 6:10:09 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: mgist
Luke 1 In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And coming to her, he said, ,"Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you." 29 But she was greatly troubled at what was said and pondered what sort of greeting this might be 30 Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, 11 and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end." 34 But Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I have no relations with a man?" 12 35 And the angel said to her in reply, "The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God. 36 And behold, Elizabeth, your relative, has also conceived 13 a son in her old age, and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren; 37 for nothing will be impossible for God." 38 Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word." THEN the angel departed from her. ,
3,973 posted on 06/07/2008 6:17:56 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Oh yeah, that’s right. The AP is a wonderful source. Very reliable.


3,974 posted on 06/07/2008 6:19:23 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: OLD REGGIE

Good HTML skills.


3,975 posted on 06/07/2008 6:21:46 PM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: mgist
Please explain "you will conceive".
3,976 posted on 06/07/2008 6:26:25 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

>>Was Ratzinger referring to the bricks of the buildings that house our churches or to the people inside the buildings which make up the church?
Because for Protestants, the “church” is not a pile of cement, but a congregation of like-minded believers who know Christ to be their cornerstone.<<

LOLOL!
Not calling a Head of State by the proper name, is so DU.

>>It’s clearly a double standard, only Protestants don’t throw a fit. We simply counter Rome’s criticism and errors with Scripture.<<

Right. No fit about the word Defectve. None at all.


3,977 posted on 06/07/2008 6:33:35 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: enat
So where do you go with the credo ut intellegam line of country, which might be said in one way to wind up with that magnificent madman Kierkegaard?

One of my little etymological bagatelles is that in many languages the word which is translated "Truth" has a sense involving loyalty (as in "troth")

I know the argument from etymology is not dispositive in any way. But isn't it fascinating and beguiling that there is this volitional, or even existential, connotation hovering around that thing that philosophers seek to know?

In my little kiddie religion classes (like smart fifth or sixth graders, say) I used to distinguish between boring truths, which are "knowable", like, oh, F=MA, and really important truths like, "My parents love me (or not)," about which we seem only to be able to have hunches and hopes and sometimes doubts.

And this is one of the frustrating aspects to the not even worthy to be called "debates" we have here. For example, take the debate about when the "catholic Church was started." If you already think the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon, you will see the great crisis of suddenly becoming legal and even established as a fundamental breach in the continuity of the Church, so that "Real" Christianity has to so to speak, submerge for a millennium or so. On the other hand if you believe that the Catholic Church is that body in which the fullness of the esse of Church subsists, then you will see all that stuff as a crisis which set the Church back on its heels, but which it survived and which led to conditions in which it might be said to have prospered.

The data do not admit of being viewed dispassionately, and most of us tussling over them are not inclined to view them dispassionately. So when the feathers and fur settle to earth, what we mostly have as the skeleton of an "Is NOT"/"Is TOO" conversation with a few interesting new facts (maybe) added to the mix.

So you heard Mort the Wart, huh? What a guy! He gave an almost annual lecture at my college where it was traditional to play a prank on him.

3,978 posted on 06/07/2008 6:35:41 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

When I say “you will post again,” is that a command, or a prediction?


3,979 posted on 06/07/2008 6:35:52 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Marysecretary

>>They’ll find some way to discount all his or any other Catholic leaders’ words. They just refuse to see it. BIG deception on their part.<<

Who is they?


3,980 posted on 06/07/2008 6:38:54 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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