The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

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Becky

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Was Ratzinger referring to the bricks of the buildings that house our churches or to the people inside the buildings which make up the church?

Because for Protestants, the "church" is not a pile of cement, but a congregation of like-minded believers who know Christ to be their cornerstone.

If the pope calls Protestant churches "defective," he is slandering Protestants who worship as part of those "defective churches."

You know, this is really funny. When Protestants criticize Rome on the forum, RCs automatically hit the abuse button and say they are being personally criticized and demand the threads to be pulled or comments deleted.

It's clearly a double standard, only Protestants don't throw a fit. We simply counter Rome's criticism and errors with Scripture.

[netmilsmom]

But we are predicting what Jesus would do, not what Mary would do.

As a mother and with a mother, being human I treated my mom differently than other people, my husband, my bosses, everyone. My mom has nine months of carrying charges I can never repay.

As Our Lord was human, He would act in a human way. She didn’t have to ask, He would treat His mother differently, as most humans do. If we are truly made in His image, than He would act no differently than we do.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

As to your last sentence-—I agree—in the understanding that all praise, veneration, worship. glory and kneeling is directed to, in and with The Lord of Lords, Christ Jesus.

Then why do you venerate Mary and kneel to saints and praise "another Christ?"

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Gabriel came for Mary's consent and she gave it.

That is a ludicrous fable found nowhere in Scripture.

[netmilsmom]

LOL!
Your first link is to the AP and the second to the Salt Lake Tribune.

OH yeah, I believe the MSM to quote the Pope correctly
They do such a good job with GWB,

Look for Vatican.va for the real quotes, Dear Sister in Christ.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

What church do you belong to?

[Running On Empty]

I’m an “RC” and I have never “automatically hit the abuse button and say that I have been personally criticized” and I have certainly not made “demands that threads be pulled and comments deleted”.

I personally don’t believe that such a generalization is actually the case.

[Marysecretary]

Noooo, Petronski. It’s written for all to see.

[Marysecretary]

It’s workin’ jest fine.

[Petronski]

Then why do you venerate Mary and kneel to saints and praise "another Christ?"

The term alter Christus does not mean what you imply. The Catholic Church does not claim each priest is some fresh messiah equal to Christ.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

lol. Oh, yeah. I forgot. No one tells the truth except vatican.va.

I substantiated a point recently by quoting from New Advent until I was told by some Catholic that even New Advent is suspect! lol.

Only when it proves Rome wrong.

[Petronski]

You changed your mind awfully fast. You were right before.

[OLD REGGIE]

That is a misstatement of Pope Benedict's words. What he actually said was this:

“Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such, though we believe they suffer from defects, have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”.66

(56) The interpretation of those who would derive from the formula subsistit in the thesis that the one Church of Christ could subsist also in non-Catholic Churches and ecclesial communities is therefore contrary to the authentic meaning of Lumen gentium. “The Council instead chose the word subsistit precisely to clarify that there exists only one ‘subsistence' of the true Church, while outside her visible structure there only exist elementa Ecclesiae, which — being elements of that same Church — tend and lead toward the Catholic Church” (Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Notification on the Book “Church: Charism and Power” by Father Leonardo Boff: AAS 77 [1985], 756-762).

4. The Church's constant missionary proclamation is endangered today by relativistic theories which seek to justify religious pluralism, not only de facto but also de iure (or in principle). As a consequence, it is held that certain truths have been superseded; for example, the definitive and complete character of the revelation of Jesus Christ, the nature of Christian faith as compared with that of belief in other religions, the inspired nature of the books of Sacred Scripture, the personal unity between the Eternal Word and Jesus of Nazareth, the unity of the economy of the Incarnate Word and the Holy Spirit, the unicity and salvific universality of the mystery of Jesus Christ, the universal salvific mediation of the Church, the inseparability — while recognizing the distinction — of the kingdom of God, the kingdom of Christ, and the Church, and the subsistence of the one Church of Christ in the Catholic Church.

The roots of these problems are to be found in certain presuppositions of both a philosophical and theological nature, which hinder the understanding and acceptance of the revealed truth. Some of these can be mentioned: the conviction of the elusiveness and inexpressibility of divine truth, even by Christian revelation; relativistic attitudes toward truth itself, according to which what is true for some would not be true for others; the radical opposition posited between the logical mentality of the West and the symbolic mentality of the East; the subjectivism which, by regarding reason as the only source of knowledge, becomes incapable of raising its “gaze to the heights, not daring to rise to the truth of being”;8 the difficulty in understanding and accepting the presence of definitive and eschatological events in history; the metaphysical emptying of the historical incarnation of the Eternal Logos, reduced to a mere appearing of God in history; the eclecticism of those who, in theological research, uncritically absorb ideas from a variety of philosophical and theological contexts without regard for consistency, systematic connection, or compatibility with Christian truth; finally, the tendency to read and to interpret Sacred Scripture outside the Tradition and Magisterium of the Church.

On the basis of such presuppositions, which may evince different nuances, certain theological proposals are developed — at times presented as assertions, and at times as hypotheses — in which Christian revelation and the mystery of Jesus Christ and the Church lose their character of absolute truth and salvific universality, or at least shadows of doubt and uncertainty are cast upon them.

DECLARATION "DOMINUS IESUS"
ON THE UNICITY AND SALVIFIC UNIVERSALITY OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE CHURCH

Sort through the doubletalk and tell what it actually says.

[wmfights]

You should touch bases with mgist who said it was SCANDALOUS to claim the Pope would say such a thing.

God Bless you mgist.

I've never seen a RC willing to criticize an error in judgment of a Pope. I have never been a supporter of the ecumenical drive, but Christians I do respect who were supporters of ecumenism were deeply offended and hurt.

[Marysecretary]

Don’t worry. They’ll find some way to discount all his or any other Catholic leaders’ words. They just refuse to see it. BIG deception on their part.

[Running On Empty]

Your “question” to me is framed as a verifiable fact and I see no reason to answer it as if it were..

One other time, when you required an answer from me about this, I replied to you that I was convinced that you already know the answer.

[Petronski]

Sort through the doubletalk and tell what it actually says.

Does that mean you cannot understand it?

[Marysecretary]

A Christian is one who is saved, Petronski. All others are merely church attenders.