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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: Dr. Eckleburg
There's no rule that says anyone MUST post the footnote numbers.

I didn't say anything about any rules. I refuted your false claim that you posted the exact words of the Catechism.

3,421 posted on 06/06/2008 9:52:57 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski

Reference by a pope, once or a hundred times, does not Catholic doctrine make.

= = =

However, it’s a lot different than a couple of altar boys dreaming up new RC dogma.


3,422 posted on 06/06/2008 9:54:21 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Religion Moderator
Well this seems to border on making it personal

Friday, June 06, 2008 4:55:22 AM · 3,125 of 3,391 papertyger to 1000 silverlings It starts at Genesis 1:1 and continues on to Revelation 22:21 Translation: It's not there, but sado-evangelists lack the integrity to admit such things. Post Reply | Private

3,423 posted on 06/06/2008 9:54:55 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Marysecretary; Dr. Eckleburg

So you’re not going to ask?

Okay, I’ll ask.

Dr. Eckleburg, did Mary have the free will to say “no” to becoming the mother of Christ?


3,424 posted on 06/06/2008 9:55:03 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Quix

If “Co-redemptrix” is doctrine of the Catholic Church, you can prove it.


3,425 posted on 06/06/2008 9:56:24 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
RCC catechism

Again with the allergy to capitalizing proper nouns related to Catholicism.

3,426 posted on 06/06/2008 9:57:39 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: DungeonMaster
Honoring the bible is unbiblical?

Adding to the Bible is not "honoring" it; it's attempting to give your own words the legitimacy of Scripture.

There is a lot more scripture about honoring scripture than about honoring mary.

And there is absolutely NO Scripture making sola scriptura a legitimate doctrine of the Church.

3,427 posted on 06/06/2008 9:58:42 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Petronski
I didn't say "could have," I said "could."

Alrighty then. Let's correct my response according to your instruction...

PETRONSKI: So it is possible He could do whatever He wanted, despite what He would later write in the New Testament.

DR.E: If you base your faith on what Christ could have done do rather than on what He did do, well, good luck with that.

Christ could have turned turn Himself into a rooster and crowed at every dawn, but I doubt He did does.

Any way you want to write the tense, your comment is still meaningless.

That is why God gave us the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit and new eyes and new ears and a new heart and a renewed mind -- so men can understand the truth of Christ risen...even without a dictionary.

3,428 posted on 06/06/2008 9:59:37 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Marysecretary

Aaaarrrrggghhhhhhh

Sure. Prayers.


3,429 posted on 06/06/2008 10:00:09 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Any way you want to write the tense, your comment is still meaningless.

The meaning eludes you, but it is there.

3,430 posted on 06/06/2008 10:01:35 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: 1000 silverlings; papertyger

It is not “making it personal” for the same reason. He accuses a group whether actual or theoretical, not another Freeper specifically. If a post exists on this forum, or a website linked to this forum, which attaches that label to a specific Freeper there will be consequences.


3,431 posted on 06/06/2008 10:02:09 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Marysecretary
Read what was said before that so you can understand the post. Cheezzzz.

What are you claiming I missed?

3,432 posted on 06/06/2008 10:02:41 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Religion Moderator

okay, thank you very much


3,433 posted on 06/06/2008 10:02:50 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Marysecretary

I have always loved the RC’s I’ve known in and out of the RC edifice.


3,434 posted on 06/06/2008 10:04:21 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
I think there's a Scripture about 'their own words shall condemn them.'

Yes, and those words were spoken by that son of the "Queen of Heaven," so I hope they count for something, since the "Queen of Heaven" didn't say them herself (although we're told she "cooperated" in them)...

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." -- Matthew 12:36-37


3,435 posted on 06/06/2008 10:06:45 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix
Sometimes, I think the RC edifice is an institution built on wiggle room.

I'm seeing that here too.

3,436 posted on 06/06/2008 10:11:34 AM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

>>Do you really not understand how this kind of meaningless back-and-forth is just deflecting any real discussions of the words themselves and what they actually mean?

Thankfully, anyone reading these posts can see what’s occuring...over and over and over.<<

Yup and the people reading this, who have any doubts can go back to the thread and read for themselves!!! Let the credibility show from the actual posts.

That thread is “Do Protestants consider Roman Catholics Christians?”

And my Dear Sister in Christ, just remember, it was not I who brought the whole thing up. But it is I that will direct posters to the ACTUAL thread to see for themselves.


3,437 posted on 06/06/2008 10:13:13 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Philo-Junius
How was disrespecting her wishes in front of a crowd following the spirit of “honour thy father and thy mother?” What higher point would have been made by that?

Fulfillment of the Law by the One True Lamb in the final act of God in the salvation of humanity is not a "higher point" than "honoring Mary"? Who is Mary compared to God?

3,438 posted on 06/06/2008 10:15:59 AM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: Marysecretary
What do you call a piece of wood?

A book.

3,439 posted on 06/06/2008 10:18:42 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Gamecock
The children of Israel wanted a god they could control, so they collected all of their gold and made a calf.

RC's want to avoid God, so they hide behind Mary's skirt, not daring to peek out at what really happened throughout redemptive history.

I fear for their eternal destiny.

Yep. Thankfully we know it's all in His hands.

"For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." -- Romans 6:5-11


3,440 posted on 06/06/2008 10:20:12 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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