Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
God has told you how to pray and explained how Jesus made that possible. I’m still wondering why that isn’t good enough for the RCC. I have to think the mind behind it is hell bent on destroying the gospel.
Calm down, MD, calm down. What I meant was that it was an RC caucus thread; you ARE an RC aren’t you? My my.
Where? That quote says, "obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior's work of restoring supernatural life to souls."
Hmmmm, the Savior's work is not hers. Silly, silly, silly.
Ah, good insight. I like that definition of work out. Never thought of that before.
If you think “That isn’t enough”, then it’s no surprise you think the mind behind Marian stuff is “hell bent on destroying the Gospel.” The two misunderstandings easily go together.
You know, I don't think you're showing proper respect for DM's "obvious good point." ;oD
Some of you all live in a fantasy world of imagined and projected feelings. Before you tell me to calm down, I'd suggest checking to see if I'm upset.
I sure hope you don’t depend on Mary to help you get into heaven. It ain’t gonna happen. Her prayers won’t help anyone go anywhere. Only Christ!
Yeah, I’ve never seen anything that the HS said about Mary or anything else for that matter. He inspired the writers of the gospel and not much was said about Mary, certainly not anyone calling her Alma Mater.
No, you don't have to think that, unless you're trying to find excuses for sola scriptura worship of a "piece of wood."
You are sooooo wrong. Anyone who calls himself or herself a Christian and follows the teachings of Christ, HATES abortion, gay marriage and the like. Mary didn’t inspire Catholics to hate abortion. The Word of God and the Holy Spirit within us teaches us that. Good grief. Where do you guys come up with some of this stuff?
THANK GOD ALL WE CAN POINT TO IS SCRIPTURE. IT IS ALL WE NEED.
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What would not be boring is to know whether there could be counter-developments that would some day lead to the overturning of the Marian Encyclicals. If the encyclicals represent doctrine that was not original Catholic doctrine, but came in to the church long after “keys” got turned, then it seems that the reverse could happen just as easily, or uneasily, as the case may be.
My view of the whole thing, though, developed from 17 years living with a Catholic dad, watching three Catholic uncles and their families who spent every holiday and every family bar-b-q with us, and six years in a Philippines barangay observing Catholic life and worship on a daily basis. Now my Catholic relatives never tried to convince me of anything with words. They were regular at Mass (well, not so much Dad), and I'm sure that they would have launched into long sarcastic (they are sarcastic people) defenses of Maryolotry had anyone ever raised an opposing view. But otherwise they were silent beer drinkers at the bar-b-qs.
I rode jeepneys (50 people stuffed into a sixteen seat tin can) in the Philippines for six full years without a furlough, and would notice that 49 of them (all but me) would cross themselves, all in unison. So I would immediately look out the window and see what all of them knew was there without looking, a statue of a woman holding her hands downward, palms out. Always looked like a Scottish lady to me. If the jeepney ride was more than two miles, that could occur five to ten times.
But, although they often stared at us for not crossing ourselves, only once in six years did anyone ever ask me what was asked, “Don't you worship our Lady?” My response was to distribute a tract that told of the sufficiency of the death of Jesus Christ to all on board.
We almost always distributed Gospel literature on the jeepneys and buses. And with the driver's permission we would often take a Bible out of our bag or pocket and preach a message or give a Bible lesson.
Our preaching, of course, never deterred those people from (always in near perfect unison) crossing themselves whenever a statue was passed, or a shrine, or a Catholic church. And we never mentioned it one time.
It was interesting that those people seemed NEVER to look outside the jeepney or bus. It was as if there was a radar signal from the statue or shrine of “Our Lady of this or that” directly to the nervous systems of those people. It was actually just habit. And I dare say that with most of them it was an unfeeling robotic-type habit. They never looked up or out toward the statue or shrine. And their conversations NEVER ceased to show respect or reverence. They would just cross themselves.
I will add that one needs to acquire a book of superstitions believed by Filipinos, which is available in almost every branch of the National Bookstore. I own a copy (along with the Catholic Marriage Laws and Catholic Marriage Annulment Laws). All those are sold from the same shelves.
I sat with about 20 Filipinos one Saturday evening reading from the book of superstitions, and they did everything from squirm in their seats to giggle red-faced. I asked what percentage of Filipinos actually guide their lives by their upbringing in such superstitions. The answer was, “Duuuhhh, 95+%!” I am talking about superstition that came from Pagan island culture that could not possibly be consistent with belief and trust in Jesus Christ or the counsels of the Word of God.
The Filipinos have added crossing themselves when passing statues and shrines to their pagan superstitions. They really believe it is “BAD LUCK” if they fail to cross themselves when riding by or walking by a statue of “Our Lady of . . . ., “ or a shrine, or a Catholic Church. Well of course, if they pass by a Lutheran church, or a Iglesia Ni Cristo church, or an evangelical church, they don't cross themselves.
So, you ask, what does my story have to do with my question at the top? Maybe absolutely nothing. Maybe I just wanted to tell a story. A story about superstitious people who daily acted robotic-ally with regard to religious trappings.
You are in for an onslaught now, Sister. Praying for your nerves.
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Good morning, MD! How are you this fine day, friend? :)
It’s meant to be a genealogy. I don’t know many people who turn up a verse. LOL.
The notion that a small cabal in the Vatican originates and produces these dogmata is a fantasy, obviously an attractive one which distracts a lot of serious people from the truth.
mgist, born again Christians are not lost. Please understand that. There ARE protestants who are lost, for sure, but none of them are on these posts. We know the truth and we want you to know it, too. There are many Catholics who are lost as well. It all has to do with what we decide to do with Jesus as Lord and Saviour. Nothing else.
That's so much more intersting than what would have been said otherwise. ;oD
and try to be the best person I can be in God’s eyes - not yours.
Good reply.
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